"I think it's better to plan for the worst and your fly your best than not have a plan and fly on the premise that if you enter cloud that you made a serious error in judgment and not have the skill or wherewithal to come out of it alive. I always think that more knowledge is better than less and having the capability to do your mentioned steep descending turn while using the DG and the airspeed indicator and the artificial horizon make the maneuver a lot safer. Sure you are supposed to keep visual reference but what if you loose it? then for the 4 seconds it takes to make that turn and drop 150 feet you are in control of rate of turn, rate of decent, speed and roll/pitch, all good stuff.
I am always eager to listen to any advice (like the flying into cloud story by that ski pilot) and welcome any comments and experiences you have and would like to share. I don't think we need to debate that it is unwise to fly into cloud when VFR, you're kind of "preaching to the choir" don't you think? I am more interested in hearing about how to get out of it if one does find one's self in such a situation."
I don't usually post here anymore because of the sometimes irrational responses that come back but I will take a stab once again just for the heck of it and, (I am a slow learner) I don't have a lot to do right at this moment.
This is no criticism or finding fault with what anyone in this thread has said... Its just my opinion after 30 years of helicopters, flying light, medium and heavy helicopters on the coast and in the mountains in Canada and many parts of the world VFR and IFR. Don't want to be labled a pontificator!!!! Had to look it up
From my point of view I really don't see a lot wrong with either video. The first one in the astar is normal op's. Second video is done for show and with all the blue around I would bet if the camera was pointed a little to the right you would be staring at blue sky and the pilot could see just fine out his door.
As for L3drivers comment about 4sec it take to turn and loose 150' after inadvertent IFR.. I know from lots of experience in that area that its just not that easy. Having been an IFR training pilot for many years I have (during training) put some reasonably experienced IFR pilots in the position of going on to the dials inadvertently in anything but straight and level flight and spent the next 10 to 15 seconds practicing my "recovery from unusual attitudes" techniques! I would say it takes the average pilot 5 to 10 seconds to fully comprehend and convince themselves of the fact that they are not VFR any more and then an additional couple of seconds to even find the instruments they need to look at to see which way is up while keeping Nr and airspeed under control. If the aircraft is descending (or climbing) and turning when this happens it can be frightful how quickly things go to "**** in a hand basket"
One other thing to keep in mind (once again from experience) is many times what you think you can expect on the other side of that little fog bank or layer is completely opposite to what is actually there. I have been on approach to a well lit runway and see everything just fine at 500' and passing though 250' gone completely IMC almost to the ground. Ask any offshore driver about flying to the rig looking down to see the deck just fine and loose all reference at 150' half mile to the deck......Looking up and seeing the sun through that little thin layer!!! Not a good plan!. On more than one occasion I've spent 3 or 4 minutes climbing at 1000'/min to pop out the top of a layer I thought was 500' or so thick... Not a good plan in your jetbox with a suspect artificial horizon that they all seem to have. (Before you jump on me about that... I've been flying IFR since 1986 and always with and aircraft capable of the above mentioned maneuver... well almost )
Just remember as you say "use a rate one turn" that, that turn of 180deg is going to take one minute. Any climb or decent during that turn will really put the "zap" in your head. Plus any time required to fly straight and level until you return to a point where you can trust you senses again. It can be a difficult maneuver at the best of times unless you are fully prepared for it.
If you are asking for my advice on messing with that little bit of schmoo in the valley that you are trying to get though..... be very careful. At some point in your career it will bite you in the ***. There is a reason they call them "sucker holes".
Once again the above is just one guy's point of view... no criticism is intended.
Sorry for the length. :rolleyes: