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Helirider212 last won the day on March 7 2014

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  1. Its really simple,, as Pilots we need to get our heads out of been paid by the flight hour,,,you are away from home for extended periods of time and suppose to be in a "profession" . Your duty day is up to 14 hrs and most customers demand / expect you to be available for that time. The company expects you to be if you are sitting on spec in a hotel in butt "F' nowhere. So do the math , we should be worth $35 to $55 an hr depending on experience ( check the rates in Fort Mac for a truck driver with no education and a lunch box , we should be worth as much or more) . Now times your rate by 8 hrs..then by 1.5 for the next 6...( or if you want to be nice give the employer 10 to 12 at straight time then X 1.5 after that ) its actually in the federal labor code ( cant remember if we are entitled to double bubble, if so, so much the better). All in all it works out to somewhere between $600 and upwards of $800 a day depending on how you do your figuring. If you want to be greedy ask for a flight pay bonus after the employer has covered his costs and made a reasonable profit,,its called profit sharing... so as an example,, after the 205 /212 has flown 300/350 rev hrs then ask for a flight time bonus. Your away from home you should be compensated, period. its not your fault and its totally out of your control today how many hrs you get to fly. Customers are been controlled by big Ivory towers way over the horizon. Same goes for the company, your heli has a capital cost and needs to be paid for. quit giving the things away...OMNR can not fight fires with out Helicopters, drills can not be moved to remote locations with out helicopters...it might mean a short term pain but in the long run we would all be better off, company makes more , aircrew makes more. In the end a straight day rate is the way to go, takes all the stress away from worrying about mins, unused will I fly wont I fly, all that. The most important part is you have to remember you are taking the good with the bad, you get paid to sit (possibly for many days),and in return when you fly a couple of 8 hr flight days you might not make as much on that day , but in the end you make more. To be fair to the employer you cant get into a mind set of "I am been paid so why should I fly", remember you are been paid to fly, but you are also been compensated for been away from home when the work is beyond your control. Your moral will be in better shape and thus your stress will be down and you will be a safer pilot. I"ve tried this for a few years now and it works...
  2. Pretty straight forward isnt it...all forestry departments should get this...
  3. Can anyone tell me where to find the regulation / wording ,about single room accomodation when we are away from home...ie fire camps.. thks
  4. Whirlygig...Thanks,,I think you have made it fairly clear,,,so lets see if we are on the same page and I will ask one more thing. If one removes the ski basket it need to have a log book entry and if done with quick pins the pilot can do this under elementary tasks. Correct ? If one takes the 4 man out it also needs to be noted in the log book under maintenance action, This I think I get ,,,but instead of listing the revised M/T weight and arm /moment,,,can it not say ,,,,,ski basket removed W/B addendum # 4 in effect. This is how I interpret what you have said quoted from CARS....?? There is not a need to write out the long form W/B calc the adendum # in effect does that. ??
  5. Maybe a DOM in the know or anyone up on CARS can tell if I am right or wrong here....Please correct me if I am wrong...here goes... If I have this right at some point in the past there was a requirement to do a log book entry if you changed the configuration of the aircraft . For example you take the ski basket off the machine you would write it out in the log book as such ,,ski basket removed blah blah ,,,2 hrs later you put it back on ,,,ski basket installed blah blah,, . Then some one came up with a system that short cut all the writing ,,this was the addendum page we all see attached to our W&B in the Ops man ,flight man and in some comp log books. So now when you remove the ski basket you make a note in the log book in a column near the flight time but before your signature that addendum # 4 is in use and anyone looking to do a C of G calc would refer to the addendum page in the flight man or log book. This works if the pilot is trained in elementary tasks to do any of these TEMPORARY changes that fall within a pilots right to do .IE : someone mentioned removing a 206 door that is equipped with the legal quick pins ,it would not apply if the pilot needed wrenches to remove the door. My recollection is that Transport Ok'd this for operational convenience to get away from having to write it all out every time you did a TEMPORARY change. If you or the next pilot to fly the AC needed to know the W&B that is in effect all you do is reference the number in the WB column in the log book to the WB addendum page in the logbook or flight man....pretty simple. I may not be stating this 100 % but if you read closely you will understand what I mean. Bear in mind just because your company (or a transport inspector) wants it done does not mean it is a CARS requirement. I feel this is an issue that some transport guy figures he wants to see , not what is a legal requirement. If anyone has past historical knowledge of the whole Amendment /addendum thing please update all of us one way or the other. And as I said in the beginning I stand corrected if my idea here is not right.
  6. Well Fred you are giving us all somethings to think about, and thanks for that. Here's one for all of you and I will ask Fred what one should do. I was reading my flight manual supplement for 205 today. eagle vertical reference door.,,,I dont have the precise wording but basicaly it says,,in order for the door to be used the dual controls have to be in place. Now lets assume this is correct. Any one want to tell Ontario that you cant take the duals out and you dont have a stock door with you.,,, Lets see how that fly's ( and again if I am right how many other operators will try to argue thats not so,,,so much for sticking together) and whats your guess that no company leader will stand behind you....well they might but it will be around the corner out of sight. And while we are at that ..how do we water bucket in Ontario with a passenger on board,,aka ,,a spotter..no other province demands it ,,he/she is not an essential person and if one where to ask Transport there is an option and that is for the spotter to fly above in another helicopter...oh oh ..I almost forgot..Ontario wont let their people be on board if we are actually longlineing...correct me if I am wrong but is not ANYTHING on the hook an external load...So Fred how does one deal with all these little technicalities and not get punted from both Ontario and from your job for been a rabble rouser..???
  7. Its very simple why is everyone including transport Canada making it confusing.. Flight time starts when you hit the starter and the blades start to turn,,you are now in control of an operational helicopter. The flight ends when you turn engine off on the ground and the blades are costing to a stop. Air time is the time you are in the air,,,skids or wheels up to skids or wheels down. If you are doing a toe in you are holding power and thus still flying. If you are sitting on the ground at 100% waiting for 6 min for customers to load or unload you are not flying and thus would/should subtract a .1 from your air time. Bill the customer Flight time,and log it as such , the log book shows AIR time and that is what is used to determine the life of components. (It is the time they are under Stress ) The customer and your personal log book should always be billed and recorded on the FLIGHT time number. The difference between flight and air time goes to the benefit of the operator to recover his low rate on the contract against his operational costs. Except if you are Helisking where the ******** demand to be billed on AIR time,,but that is another subject.
  8. The never ending saga of how we should be paid...!!!!! my belief is first I agree with the statement as pilots or engineers we are not in the financial risk business that is the owners chair. Daily mins means just what it implies a daily minimum guaranteed hours paid to the pilot. Which also means if I am guaranteed 4 hrs and I fly 5 then on said day I get paid 5 on the next day if I fly 3 I get paid 4 . If my *** is strapped to the seat I expect to be reimbursed for the risk and responsibility I took on that day. NO AVERAGING NO AVERAGING, anyone that goes to Ontario and really understands how they use averaging against not only the pilots but the companies should understand this position. They OMNR think that a machine and a pilot should only get 4 hrs a day per day that you are on contract. which means that if you fly 5 days of 8 (which is highly unlikely to happen) that they then have the right to sit you for 5 days of no flying. So if you average you will get paid for 40 hrs if you go mins plus what you fly you would get 60 hrs. Which way do you want to be paid ,,I know where my vote goes. Ask anyone working for OMNR if they would work for 5 free days after getting paid overtime for the 5 previous days. Think about it, that is exactly what we are been asked to do if we average. You fly you take on risk and responsibility and should be paid for it. Mins are a way of guaranteeing that you make a living at the end of the season. The companies need to learn how to say No to averaging..While I can agree to averaging within a 4 day contract, (for the helicopter not for the pilot) I do not agree with extending the averaging as the contract is extended..every 4 days ,or 3 , whatever the contract term is..zero out and start again. Unfortunately this will only work if the pilots and the companies would stick together...something that is highly unlikely. In the end as a contract pilot be sure to spell it all out ahead of time ,it will save grief down the road. One more thing to keep in mind...the company which probably leases the helicopter has no problem guaranteeing the Lessor (ie Eagle,who doesn't average) a fixed number of hrs, so why not the aircrew.
  9. I also support you and wish I could offer more than just saying "good luck" I voice my opinion to them when ever I can in such a way as to hopefully not draw the 'wrath",,we all need to speak up more..
  10. Does that mean that OMNR has gone into CYA and there will be many years of study a discussion before we get an upfront answer and the OMNR person is held accountable for their action. Rocksteady ,,,I assume you work for BCFS,,,this comment is not aimed at you personally but at the forestry agency's in general. We all know there is a blacklist cant be easily proven but we know it is undeniably there (some times warranted but many times not ) Any issue should be brought up FIRST with the offending pilot and if there is not a satisfactory conclusion to the issue then go forward to the said pilots company. If the issue brought up with OMNR as stated previously can be used as an example what right does OMNR have to dictate to an operator who they can or can not hire with fear of the whole fleet been banned ?? Forestry as a whole is a very demanding customer at times I feel too much so. They play a game with the operators that is made effective by the assumption of the fear of not been hired. I understand that the latest craze the fire centers have come up with is to meddle in the standard of training the companies do for pilots. (I believe its a deal been struck between HAC and CIFFC)(I will admit here that I do not know all the inner workings of this upcoming issue) Online tests to be done before a pilot is accepted as been able to work for Any fire agency..?? I believe its in place in Quebec and soon to spread to the rest of Canada. I could ramble on with my thoughts of forestry but I wont. Individually there may be a modest level of professional respect, but in general forestry does not respect us as professional pilots.
  11. So what was the outcome of this action/letter anyone know ????????
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