You want to see a 'real government' circle jerk... Check these emails out.
I started off emailing James M Flaherty Minister of Finance..
Sent: To: ITBTaxQuestions SBR:EX
Subject: BC training Tax Credit
I'm just writing about the BC training Tax Credit Program, and how it applies to apprentices. I am wondering about the apprenticeship trade "Aircraft Maintenance Engineer M" This apprenticeship trade is under the control of Transport Canada. This apprenticeship entails schooling, on the job training, and exams, in order to be licenced in Canada as An Aircraft Maintenance Engineer. This training, licencing, and testing are all controlled by canadian government legislation (The Canadian Aviation Regulations and Standards.)
I.T.A. is trying to create a program called "Aircraft Maintenance Technician," and also "Aircraft Structures Technician" to try and bring apprentices into their training programs, instead of transport canadas (which is the only one that is legislated and controlled.) These programs are misleading as they do not make it so you can work on Airworthy Aircraft in Canada. In order to work on airworthy aircraft, you must do the Transport Canada approved training program, and complete there required tasks inorder to be a licenced mechanic, that can work on aircraft and deem them airworthy.
If I.T.A. is going to create these programs, it is only justified that the training that a mechanic takes through Transport Canada's Approved Training Organizations, and the apprenticeship hours that an apprentice develops should be entitled to the BC training Tax Credit Program, the employer should be entitled to the basic training tax credit (non redseal).
So here is my question.
I am an apprentice Aircraft Maintenance Engineer. My employer has had me working full time for him for 1 1/2 years. I have attended an approved training organization for the Aircraft Maintenance Engineer required training. Will this apprenticeship count towards the BC training Tax Credit Program, and will be employer be entitled to the basic training tax credit?
It is unjustified that an apprentice in the aviation industry can not take advantage of this tax credit, unless they want to take schooling that is not going to get them a job, as the training that is required to work in the industry is decided by Transport Canada and not I.T.A.
Good morning Me,
The BC Training Tax Credit (TTC) covers apprentices registered with the Industry Training Authority (ITA) for levels three and higher of a Red Seal (Interprovincial) program, or for all levels of a B.C.-Recognised (non-Red Seal) program.
Unfortunately, since you are registered in Aircraft Maintenance Engineer program through Transport Canada, you and your employer would not be eligible to claim the TTC.
Currently only programs administered by the ITA are eligible for the TTC. This is because the ITA is the main body for overseeing B.C.'s industry training and apprenticeship programs.
For additional information on industry standards and apprenticeship programs, it is recommended that you contact:
Industry Training Authority:
Toll Free (within BC): 1-866-660-6011
Email: [email protected]
Email: [email protected]
For additional information regarding the Training Tax Credit please visit our website at: http://www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/business/Income_Taxes/TTC/default.htm or contact us by phone at 1-877-387-3332 or by email at [email protected]
Ministry of Finance
Income Taxation Branch
So from Here i sent an email to the Minister of Advanced Education Murray Coel, who forwarded it to the 'labour market dision of advanced education'
To: ALMD Minister ALMD:EX
Subject: apprenticeship programs and tax credits
I'm just writing about apprenticeship programs and the tax credits and grants entitled to them. I am wondering about the apprenticeship trade "Aircraft Maintenance Engineer M." This apprenticeship trade is under the control of Transport Canada. This apprenticeship entails schooling, on the job training, and exams, in order to be licensed in Canada as An Aircraft Maintenance Engineer. This training, licensing, and testing are all controlled by Canadian government legislation (The Canadian Aviation Regulations and Standards.)
Industry Training Authority in B.C. is trying to create a program called "Aircraft Maintenance Technician," and also "Aircraft Structures Technician" to try and bring apprentices into their training programs, instead of Transport Canada’s. These programs are misleading as they do not make it so you can work on Airworthy Aircraft in Canada. In order to work on airworthy aircraft, you must do the Transport Canada approved training program, and complete their required tasks in order to be a licensed mechanic, that can work on aircraft and deem them airworthy.
If I.T.A. is going to create these programs, it is only justified that the training that a mechanic takes through Transport Canada's Approved Training Organizations, and the apprenticeship hours that an apprentice develops should be entitled to the apprenticeship tax credits and grants (tool purchase tax credit, job creation apprenticeship tax credit, training grants/credits, etc.)
It is unjustified that an apprentice in the aviation industry can not take advantage of the tax credits and grants, unless they want to take schooling that is not going to get them a job, as the training that is required to work in the industry is decided by Transport Canada and not I.T.A.
E-mail Address: me
Thank you for your e-mail sent to the Honourable Murray Coell, Minister of Advanced Education and Labour Market Development, regarding apprenticeship programs, related tax credits and grants. Your e-mail has been forwarded to me for response.
As the British Columbia tax credit program is administered through the Ministry of Finance, I have forwarded a copy of your e-mail to the branch responsible for tax policy for their review and consideration.
Currently the British Columbia Tax Credit program provides tax credits for employers and apprentices who are engaged in eligible apprenticeship programs administered through the Industry Training Authority (ITA).
The Transport Career Development Association (transCDA) is the industry training organization responsible for the program standards of the ITA designated aerospace programs. You will be pleased to know that, during the coming year, transCDA will conduct extensive stakeholder consultation to realign the ITA aerospace programs to meet the needs of industry as well as meet Transport Canada standards. Current program standards will be revised to reflect updated program completion requirements.
Again, I thank you for taking the time to write on this important matter.
Assistant Deputy Minister
Labour Market & Immigration Division
Ministry of Advanced Education
and Labour Market Development
pc: Honourable Murray Coell
Minister of Advanced Education
and Labour Market Development
Mr. Paul Flanagan, A/Director
Ministry of Finance
Mr. Russell Robertson, Chief Executive Officer
Transport Career Development Association
Through all of this I ended up getting a letter back from jim flaherty Min of Finance
Thank you for your correspondence regarding the Apprenticeship Job Creation Tax Credit. Please excuse the delay in replying.
Our Government recognizes the importance of the skilled trades and the Apprenticeship Job Creation Tax Credit is one of the ways we have acted to support the skilled trades.
The qualifying trades for the Apprenticeship Job Creation Tax Credit are prescribed and include the 50 Red Seal trades. The Red Seal represents a national standard of excellence, which is recognized by employers throughout Canada, thus promoting inter-provincial mobility and national occupational standards. The Red Seal allows a journeyperson to engage in their trade –without having to write further examinations –in any province or territory in Canada where the trade is recognized. There are currently 50 Red Seal trades, which represent 89 percent of all registered apprentices in Canada and a substantial portion of the trades’ workforce.
Currently, the Aircraft Maintenance Engineer profession is not one of the Red Seal trades and is therefore not eligible for the Apprenticeship Job Creation Tax Credit. Budget 2006 indicated that non-Red Seal trades which are economically strategic could be prescribed as eligible trades for the purpose of the Apprenticeship Job Creation Tax Credit, based on recommendations from the Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development in consultation with provinces and territories. In this regard, I Have forwarded a copy of your correspondence to the Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development the Honourable Diane Finley.
Thank you for communicating your concerns.
James M Flaherty
HRDC replied back
On behalf of the Honourable Diane Finley, I am responding to your electronic message of **Date****, which was forwarded to her on ****Date***, by the office of the Honourable James M. Flaherty. You wrote to inquire about the eligibility of the Aircraft Maintenance Engineer trade for the Apprenticeship Incentive Grant (AIG) and the Apprenticeship Job Creation Tax Credit (AJCTC) for employers. I apologize for this delayed reply.
Through the 2006 federal budget, the Government of Canada announced major investments to encourage apprenticeship training and to support apprentices. This included the AIG, a taxable $1,000 grant to registered apprentices who complete their first or second year in an apprenticeship program in any designated Red Seal trade, on or after January 1, 2007. In addition, the AJCTC, effective May 2, 2006, provides employers with a tax credit equal to 10 per cent of the wages paid to qualifying Red Seal apprentices in the first two years of their contract, to a maximum credit of $2,000 per apprentice per year. The AJCTC is administered by the Canada Revenue Agency.
Following Budget 2006, there was broad agreement that the AIG focus on supporting apprentices registered in Red Seal trades, considered as "economically strategic" trades, since these individuals represent 87.5 per cent of registered apprentices in Canada. The Red Seal program is recognized by employers across Canada as a national standard of excellence and ensures quality of training through national occupational standards and exams. As you know, the Aircraft Maintenance Engineer trade is not one of the Red Seal trades and therefore is not eligible for the AJCTC nor the AIG.
The Red Seal program is administered in each province and territory under the guidance of the Canadian Council of Directors of Apprenticeship. Apprenticeship is industry driven. Accordingly, if your industry is interested in having the Aircraft Maintenance Engineer trade designated as a Red Seal trade, your industry should submit a request to the apprenticeship authority in your province. For more information, I would recommend that you contact the British Columbia Industry Training Authority at 1223-13351 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, British Columbia, V6V 2X7, or by telephone at 1-866-660-6011.
I hope that the above information will be helpful in addressing your concerns. Thank you for taking the time to write.
Skills and Employment Branch
Human Resources and Skills Development Canada
So in the end... It looks like if you want the tax benefit, you either a... Join ITA, or B... Write letters to HRSDC and tell them that the AME license/apprenticeship should be entitled to the tax benefits, and if enough people write this letter, it may get the AME license included on the list of 'approved apprenticeships' even though it isn't administered by "ITA".. I myself, am finished my apprenticeship, and just couldn't be bothered with this anymore. I fought for it years ago, when i was a structures apprentice, tried fighting for it again when I decided to go for my 'm' license. Now i've just bent over and taken it dry.. I had thought of just 'applying for the tax breaks' but couldn't justify the 'risk vs reward' of falsifying my tax return, being that I support a family.. If it was just me on my own, I would of just applied for the tax breaks, saved the money in the bank for 1 - 2 years, and then if it didn't get caught by the gov't I would of spent the money afterwards...
I had also talked with ITA, on different occasions, and can't seem to find any of those emails. I remember I was upset with the 'pay ita and pay transport canada' setup that we currently have right now. ITA you pay just to get the 'tax break' and transport you pay because you have to, if you want to make a living. Absolutely stupid. If only i was better at talking with beauracrats, I may of been able to do something, but as you can tell beauracrats are all good at 1 thing....
PASSING the Buck.