Tdg And Whmis Training

[rainman]

Here's a question,

Who is annoyed that DG and WHMIS training and certification is not transferable from company to company? Is it just a cash grab? Online I believe it costs $25 per student for TDG. Do we all really need to retrain if we move company's before the expiration date?

 

Comments?

[Skidz]

Actually, WHMIS is transferrable from company to company, as it isn't a TC requirement.

 

As far as TDG goes, the reason for this is that each operator is responsible for their training program. Same goes for ground transportation companies. A few years back I worked as a truck driver for a placement agency. Some weeks I would go through five TDG exams. One each day of the week 'cause I was driving for five different trucking companies I hadn't worked for before. It got to a point where I had a separate wallet for all my TDG certs... The really stupid part is that most trucking companies deal with the same two or three training outfits for their TDG training, so the exams are exactly the same...

 

I don't think this will be changing anytime soon. If thousands of transportation companies can't get TC to budge, a couple hundred aviation companies won't get anywhere either... :down:

 

Speaking of TDG, why is it we can't get training that is truly tailored to our needs as helicopter pilots ? I've asked many people about the regs for TDG in specialised fields like seismic, and never got a clear answer. Like:

 

1- When swinging bags of powder, how does one apply limited access rules when explosives aren't covered in limited access per se ?

 

2- Forestry have exemptions as far as having gas and oil in their chainsaws on fires (and only on fires), but are we still supposed to complete and submit LA forms ?

 

3- If you get ramp-checked and the inspector finds one of your pax had bear spray (or some other forbidden stuff) in his pack, why is it you get slapped on the pee-pee for it ? Are we supposed to strip-search our pax ?

 

I've honestly never gotten strait answers to these questions (not even from TC inspectors)...

[worldywings]

 

 

3- If you get ramp-checked and the inspector finds one of your pax had bear spray (or some other forbidden stuff) in his pack, why is it you get slapped on the pee-pee for it ? Are we supposed to strip-search our pax ?

 

 

 

I guess it depends on the passenger

 

WW

[Skidz]

I guess it depends on the passenger

 

WW

 

Shoulda known someone with their mind in the gutter would pick up on that...

[twinstar_ca]

i teach both TDG and WHMIS in the ground world. There are sooo many revisions to TDG there that for the feds to call it "Clear Language" is a farce. even now, there are some new revisions that just took effect in 2008 and some will not take effect until oct/08. anhydrous ammonia is one.. after years of having it's own classification of 2.4, it was moved to 2.2 with the new regs and will now be moved to 2.3.. sheesh!!!

 

when i went through the feds train the trainer program in TDG, the reason given for no transferring was to ensure that the employer actually was training people to HIS requirements. if you look in the regs, it's the employer who ultimately decides what areas of TDG you must be trained in. and then must issue you a certificate in the name of his company, signed by both him and you. you can accept someone else's training, but you must still issue a card and be prepared to be able to document how you ensured your employee was trained to your requirements.

 

the International Maritime Dangerous Goods Regs cover shipment by sea, i believe it is still ICAO who governs by air. as far as the chain saw thing, would that not be a Permit Of Equivalent Level of Safety that must be applied for, that covers that?

 

there is also a movement afoot to harmonize both the WHMIS and TDG programs, so that could bring a whole new level of confusion to all this stuff..

 

:unsure:

[Skidz]

as far as the chain saw thing, would that not be a Permit Of Equivalent Level of Safety that must be applied for, the covers that?

 

Technically, when carrying internal combustion engines, the fuel and oil are supposed to have been drained (as much as possible). Provincial forestry services have exemptions to that rule so that their chainsaws, generators and pumps can be brought to bear against a fire asap. In all other cases, the transporter (that would be the pilot) is responsible to ensure all of these engines are properly drained of their fluids.

 

This means when you toe-in and drop off a crew of slashers on a precarious landing site so they can cut you a pad, they have to take the fuel jerrycan and oil along, then refill their saws with gas and oil before thay can start cutting...

 

Used to be while scanning for hot spots on fires, the forestry guys would chuck rolls of a$$wipe out the door to mark hot spots for crews to attack. Since TC got wind of this practice and sent letters to all forestry services to put a stop to this practice. Now the crew go around in circles trying to find the spots using GPS coordinates that can be ±10 meters from the spot... :down:

 

What I'm getting at here is that there's a lack of common sense in many of these regs. This happens when fixed-wing people make them up and then apply them verbatim to the rotary-wing side...

[twinstar_ca]

come on now, skidz... how can you use common sense and TDG regs in the same sentence??

 

there is an exemption in the ground world of TDG that fluids that are required for the normal operation of said piece of equipment are exempt from the regs.. that usually means stuff like gasoline and the like.. i'm guessing then, that it differs, in aviation?? how does that affect jet a/b?? and suddenly, one begins to see where the clear language bites!!

 

ask 3 TDG inspectors the same question and you WILL get 4 different answers..

[worldywings]

Shoulda known someone with their mind in the gutter would pick up on that...

 

Well, it is Sunday yah know :punk:

[Skidz]

Well, it is Sunday yah know :punk:

 

Is it ? I kind of loose track while I'm in the bush. Guess that's why I got cartoons instead of Canada AM this morning on the boob toobe...

[VERTICAL X]

I can understand TDG not being transferrable from company to company if it is a company specific exam, but the John French TDG course is generic, it is the same exams for everyone is it not!?

 

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