Afghanistan Helicopters

[NG Limited]

someone in Calgary has just registered a bunch of 412s . Don't know the name or company.

 

According to the TC website the owner is Conrad Naylor. Looks like he registered 8 and the serial numbers fall in the same range (464xx) as the 412CF's Allied Wings use in Manitoba for training our military drivers. The latest 412EP's coming from Bell are down in the 365xx range of serial numbers.

[Guest jacdor]

Tin blades I'm afraid

 

 

 

????

 

Performance charts for the long 61 have been around for 40 years......

 

I think he meant the Long 61 with the Carson blades.

 

JD

 

[Gary Watson]

According to the TC website the owner is Conrad Naylor. Looks like he registered 8 and the serial numbers fall in the same range (464xx) as the 412CF's Allied Wings use in Manitoba for training our military drivers. The latest 412EP's coming from Bell are down in the 365xx range of serial numbers.

 

Interesting

 

I don't know the name but have read a bunch of gossip about the a/c on another site.

Don't know if they are at Springbank or not.

[helidriver68]

i think i would rather be in a R22 the enemy would be so busy laughing , they would forget to shoot

 

maybe paint some teeth on it , make it look mean !

 

 

[Outwest]

I think he meant the Long 61 with the Carson blades.

 

JD

 

OK, well in that case then, the answer is yes.

 

Carson has a supplement that will increase the Cat A weights as well as the VNE. Basically for a given weight and alt and temp the Carson sup will give you an additional 1000 lbs of useful load.

 

The catch? There is always a catch, the supplement is an additional $100,000 USD over and above the price of the blades.

[N1]

Thanks for that explanation.

 

I take it then that CHL and Coulson would both have this STC if they want to operate in Afghanistan? I can't imagine a 61 would do very much out there otherwise.

[Rotorhead]

OK, well in that case then, the answer is yes.

 

Carson has a supplement that will increase the Cat A weights as well as the VNE. Basically for a given weight and alt and temp the Carson sup will give you an additional 1000 lbs of useful load.

 

The catch? There is always a catch, the supplement is an additional $100,000 USD over and above the price of the blades.

 

And that is specific to each airframe s/n is it not?

[Outwest]

And that is specific to each airframe s/n is it not?

 

That is correct, $100,000.00 per serial number

 

I take it then that CHL and Coulson would both have this STC if they want to operate in Afghanistan? I can't imagine a 61 would do very much out there otherwise.

 

I can't speak for Coulson, but have it on very good authority that CHL will be using tin blades, and yes you are correct, with the altitudes and temps in "the Stan" the poor old girl on tin blades will be sucking the hind tit for sure

[Outwest]

I should clarify that the 1000lb increase is for Cat A.......Cat B will be much higher I'm sure and they operate Cat B in Afganistan.

 

Anyone who has flown the Carson blades will tell you what an amazing difference they make. I can tell you that on average you will hover with 10% less torque for a given weight and the climb rate is very impressive, 28 degrees, 19,300lbs and 80% torque you will climb at 1000 ft/min at 100 knots !!

Also at 5000 ft pull 70% torque and you will get about 130 kts indicated with no vibration, try that on a tin blade machine

[fajitachocad]

So just out of curiosity. Have any of CHL's 212's been involved in any altercations with the insurgents? Any unservicability issues due to a brass up with the Taliban? Anybody been hurt yet?

 

I believe one 212 has recieved 2 bullets injuring one of the passengers.