Interesting Video

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S.W.P.???

[KnuckleDragger]

S.W.P.???

 

Stupid While Pilot?

 

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I'll try again. S.W.P.???

[Daz]

I'll try again. S.W.P.???

 

I'll hazard a guess that it's "settling with power"?

 

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I'll hazard a guess that it's "settling with power"?

Thank-You Daz. I'm just a dumb old Engineer, but that's what it looks like to me. Same gyrations as Ive seen with S-58's and 212's when it happens to them. Then again, I really don't know.

[helicopterjim]

SWP - not to be confused with VRS.

[old dog]

Hmmm.....Lake Tahoe is 6,200' asl. Temps in the summer can average 23C +....starts to put one closer to 9,000' da.

Have you noticed the wind direction? Do we know how heavy the a/c is ?

Looking at the coning of the m/r disc, (which lends me to think he was pulling the guts out of it) the direction of yaw, hard to believe it is not LTE !

 

I dunno, Bob.

 

The S-76 has a tremendously effective tail rotor and the Blackhawk t/r is a variant of that design, I believe.

 

And yes, the M/R is coned, but much more so AFTER they hit the water, which kind of suggests to me he pulled the guts out it after he realized his mistake.

 

But two of them at once - formation settling with power/LTE - I don't get it.

 

And none of this explains why they were so low to the water so far from shore, with no reference, in the first place.

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SWP - not to be confused with VRS.

 

And VRS is? And the difference between SWP and VRS is??

Sorry, I should know all this, forgot it years ago.

 

[Daz]

And VRS is? And the difference between SWP and VRS is??

Sorry, I should know all this, forgot it years ago.

 

If you trained in the USA, there really isn't a difference; they seem to both refer to vortex ring state.

 

Up here my understanding is (and correct me if I'm wrong):

 

Settling with power - where power required for landing nice and soft exceeds power available (i.e. landing downwind or misjudging density altitude when you're really heavy).

 

Vortex ring state - a combination of high rate of decent, low forward airspeed (below effective translational lift) and having *some* power applied; you're basically settling into your own downwash.

 

I'm a rookie, so grain of salt and all...

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If you trained in the USA, there really isn't a difference; they seem to both refer to vortex ring state.

 

Up here my understanding is (and correct me if I'm wrong):

 

Settling with power - where power required for landing nice and soft exceeds power available (i.e. landing downwind or misjudging density altitude when you're really heavy).

 

Vortex ring state - a combination of high rate of decent, low forward airspeed (below effective translational lift) and having *some* power applied; you're basically settling into your own downwash.

 

I'm a rookie, so grain of salt and all...

 

Well Daz--for a self professed "rookie" you certainly seem to have your shyte together. Keep it up My Son and you have a long and happy career. I have watched many many Pilots over the years and every once in a while one pops up that gets my attention. H56(old fart), Polehog, Mike Semanic, Dimmit, Helifarmer, and a few others. These guys had a goal in mind from day one, kept at it through thick or thin and now are doing well in the industry. No whining, no breast beating (Oh woe is me!)