rocksteady Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Rocksteady! 30years, I wonder how many good people, families,and careers you have destroyed whilst conveying your self appointed aviation expertise. As I have mentioned more than once I understand the inate requirement for everybody to feel important and if ratting out people drives your sense of importance and promotion then you fit the model of the typical forestry official that should leave the flying and associated saftey to those who are trained to do the job. We wont tell you how to use your hose and polaski?? Even in 2006 I had 3500hrs putting out fire Canada wide. For the most part the pilots even on big fires dont experienece stress and caos you describe. I will say though, that having a know it all provincial ladder climber who you know will rat you out and is constantly picking the flyshiit out the the pepper at every turn- this will will affect pilot performance and increase the stress level. P5 First of all P5, I take offence to your first line of response here.....I am not a self appointed expert on aviation expertise...BUT If I see unsafe actions I act on them (Whatever level of action that may be).....If you wish for me to turn a blind eye and not deal with the issue, I can do that...But what would that solve??? I am not a ladder climber as you seem to think. I want everyone on the fires, including pilots to be able to go home at the end of the day..... My point of stress and chaos, which you seem to have missed, is that doing a slinging job (for example) with one aircraft for a client in a solitary location, is not comparable (in my non-pilot opinion) to doing the same operation in a huge fire complex where there are dozens of machines on few air channels, with limited visibility. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out just from the radio chatter..... I believe we are both on the same side here, we want safe operations on fires, we are just have 2 different solutions. Don't read between the lines here all, If I see/observe a safety issue I do not terminate or black list the pilot, that is not my job. It goes to an aviation specialist, which will do an investigation. The result of the investigation would identify solutions. The issue that Pilot 5 had in Ontario, I don't feel was well handled at all, but don't be painting all of us FS guys with the same brush. Alphadog reports that he admits he is a sub par long liner...Good on him, he admits it and that gives us the ability to put him in a role/position that he is still working as part of the team, but not in a task that he admits he is a little rusty. Right tool (A/C) with the right operator to do the right job.... I did not respond to your posts right away as I feel it is a good discussion, but did not want it to go sideways into a name calling pissing match. I am all for civil discussions of the issues.... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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