Maintenance Type Training

[Heliian]

Good Day All,

 

There has been some talk about type courses recently and I'm a little confused as to the state of it.

 

First, I noticed that BCIT's approvals are all expired now, will they be getting them back?

 

Second, as far as I can decipher, your M1 or M2 license gives you authority to sign a maintenance release on all turbine helicopters, the requirement for type courses has disappeared and I think that it's only a requirement of a company's mpm/mcm or is it a requirement for commercial operators?

 

And finally, A helicopter company recently had an ad up for engineers R44 and 350 and they said that a TC approved course on the 44 was an asset, as far as I know, there are no 44 courses approved by TC.

 

The reason I ask is that I'm interested in having signing authority on the B3 and 355 but don't want to waste time and money with a type course or differences course if it's not required. As a note, I already have experience working on both versions and arrius 2/arriel 2/c20/c20r.

 

Thanks in advance for your help guys and gals, keep em flyin safe.

 

I

[helimat]

The onus is on the AMO to provide training. Most would not want the liability of having an engineer sign out work without a endorsement on type, even if it isn't a requirement of the CAR's anymore. (Is it really not anymore??) If something went sideways the lawyers would have a field day if they found out the engineer had not be trained on type...

 

And as far as I know the RHC factory course in Torrence is TC approved.

 

BTW, it's an Arrius 1A/1A1 in the newer 355's, not a 2F, so a little different.

[RTR]

As far as I know the requirements haven't recently changed.

 

You must have type training to work on any turbine powered helicopter.

 

Small piston powered helicopters are a different matter. There has never been a requirement to have type training to work on them. Of course your employer may require type training IAW their MPM.

 

cheers,

 

RTR

[RTR]

Here is the CAR reference for the requirement.

 

566.02

 

cheers,

RTR

[Heliian]

Thanks RTR, I finally found the ref in 571.11(4) I had seen these before but it took some digging to find it again. So having found that, another question I have is regarding the type rating. Does having one course on a type allow you the priveleges on all variants of that same type certificate ie. the bell206a/b/l/407 and as350/355 or RR250 c20/28/30/47

 

Cheers.

 

I

 

As of a couple of days ago, I did not seen any robinson products on TC's list of approved courses.

[flingwinger]

You don't need a type course on an R22/44 as its piston powered so that's possibly why its not showing as TC approved because its not required? And having one course on type does not allow blanket privileges. I believe 206A/B/L is combined as one airframe course, 407 is separate. RR250 C20/28 is one course, C30/C40/C47 is another.

[Heliian]

An edit to my last post: the C20/rr300 is under on type cert and the C28/30/40/47 another.

[wcobra]

Refer to my post on 355 differences course...remember, your type course (airframe or engine) must be TC approved. You can have a "company course TC approved", but that is usually a one off, and is not portable, meaning it can only be used for ACA issue privileges for the company that the TC approval was issued to. Went thru that a couple of years ago trying to issue ACA to well qualified AME who held a Can.Heli. 206 airframe and engine course cert which TC would not allow to be used for ACA purposes for the company (not CH) I worked for at that time. Very frustrating.

[Lunchbox]

Does having one course on a type allow you the priveleges on all variants of that same type certificate ie. the bell206a/b/l/407 and as350/355 or RR250 c20/28/30/47

 

Transport explained it to me a few years back as relating to the type certificate. 250-C20/28 is one type certificate, C30/47 is a different certificate thus you need an extra course for C30/47. If you have AS350/Arriel 1 and move to AS355, you already have the airframe (AS350 and 355 are same airframe type certificate, although a differences course would be wise), but would need an engine course (Arriel 1 won't help you for RR or Arrius engines).

 

In other words, if it has a separate type certificate (airframe or engine) you need the course, except for piston powered helicopters.

[Lunchbox]

Forgot to add:

 

The best resource (as recommended by Transport) is the FAA website: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet

 

Find your airframe or engine to see if it is a separate type certificate. For example, Arriel 1 and 2 are separate, thus if you have an Arriel 1 course but want to work on a B3, you need an Arriel 2 course.