Flying Low

[Over-Talk]

Sadly there's a lot of sniping at each other here for no apparent reason.

It was a good question.

 

For you guys that live by airmanship and common sense......

Let's not forget that altitude and airspeed are your friends.

Don't fly lower than you have to.

 

For you guys that live by the rules.....

Here is the first rule of the "General Rules" section,

"Reckless or Negligent Operation of Aircraft

602.01 No person shall operate an aircraft in such a reckless or negligent manner as to endanger or be likely to endanger the life or property of any person".

(.....yep, that includes people on the ground or in the air).

 

For you guys that are professional pilots and make a career of flying every day in the mountains and/or over cities.....

Helicopters are a tool, not a toy, so handle them accordingly.

Use the wisdom of both the sections above, fly low only when you must, and fly safe all the time.

[pilot5]

Sadly there's a lot of sniping at each other here for no apparent reason.

It was a good question.

 

For you guys that live by airmanship and common sense......

Let's not forget that altitude and airspeed are your friends.

Don't fly lower than you have to.

 

For you guys that live by the rules.....

Here is the first rule of the "General Rules" section,

"Reckless or Negligent Operation of Aircraft

602.01 No person shall operate an aircraft in such a reckless or negligent manner as to endanger or be likely to endanger the life or property of any person".

(.....yep, that includes people on the ground or in the air).

 

For you guys that are professional pilots and make a career of flying every day in the mountains and/or over cities.....

Helicopters are a tool, not a toy, so handle them accordingly.

Use the wisdom of both the sections above, fly low only when you must, and fly safe all the time.

 

 

 

Best not to fly low if it can be avoided. Risk management issue me thinks..

 

Cant believe I qualify to join Whirly Birds...

 

Now if anyone can provide any good advice on how to offset midlife crises now that would be usefull and greatly appreciated.

 

P5

[skullcap]

I know a fella who was asked by the marketing manager at the company we both worked for to take the sales guy and some relatics for a little flight enroute to siesmic job. "You can't miss us, we will be on Sylvan Lake icefishing" Poor guy spent quite some time going by each group of icefisherman looking for the said easy to spot marketing guy,,,,,,so you never now, the 120 driver may have been looking for the same marketing manager to give him and friends a ride!

[dimit]

P5,

 

After turning 40 I became a helicopter pilot. Clearly the joke was on me!

 

Sorry for the thread drift, but I had to say it!!

 

Cheers,

 

DM

[pilot5]

P5,

 

After turning 40 I became a helicopter pilot. Clearly the joke was on me!

 

Sorry for the thread drift, but I had to say it!!

 

Cheers,

 

DM

 

 

40 ha! But I get the point! Suppose if I had chosen another career path I could afford to buy a perfectly good british land rover and add a set of redneck cheese ball rims and ruin the whole thing and actually feel cool and young again! What dreams may come! 50 is closing in ! On the freedom 85 program for now... Know anything about that grasshopper

 

?? For now I working to out do Jan E's record of 50 years in aviation !?

 

Cheers p5

[Grasshopper]

40 ha! But I get the point! Suppose if I had chosen another career path I could afford to buy a perfectly good british land rover and add a set of redneck cheese ball rims and ruin the whole thing and actually feel cool and young again! What dreams may come! 50 is closing in ! On the freedom 85 program for now... Know anything about that grasshopper

 

Surely you jest, P5! It's all about being young at heart. LII years and counting.

[dimit]

LII; An advanced member indeed! I salute you.

 

DM

[pilot5]

Surely you jest, P5! It's all about being young at heart. LII years and counting.

 

ShirleyI do GH! Hold on!I have never done Shirley !

 

Sorry for the thread drift ! Avoid flying low and remember that it's all about managing the inherent risk! Avoid other aviation related Tom foolery as well!

 

Note: the comments above are based solely on fiction and in no way reflect or otherwise imply any association with any real person named "Tom" or "Shirley".

 

P5

[Jammed left]

Maybe not, but Prairie & Northern Region 'Enforcement' (Edmonton) say that they have had it defined by Ottawa as including "within municipal boundaries." For all but 'urban' operators, that denies a whole lot of territory that's nowhere near truly built-up areas. Best to check with your own region and see what they're using as a definition or you could be looking at substantial fines.

 

 

I'd love to see it in writing, but I think that would be easy to argue that within municipal boundries would qualify...the problem lies in areas that are seemingly not 'built up' but someone is able to make the argument that it is built up. There was one instance where a dock on a lake was considered 'a built up area' and fines levied.....I'm sure a golf course would fall under the definition...

[Phil Croucher]

"And the relevance is what, Phil?"

 

Wasn't somebody mentioning that TC couldn't supply a definition of a built up area?

 

"From a regulatory point of view, the sticking point is usually whether or not you are over a built up area or not.....but try and define a built up area. You won't find it defined in the CARs...it has a pretty loose interpretation when you look at the previous cases that have resulted in fines."

 

Since TC should take its lead from ICAO, who issue the Standards and Recommended Practices for all member states, I thought it appropriate to mention their defintiion in case anybody ever needed some guidance in the future.

 

Phil