fan 22 Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 hi there , wondering if anyone has successfully achieved a minor mod to run their ipads on the windshield post GPS mount with a ram ball ( no suction cups) legally on mediums ? or any other way to be legal without using suction cups or going stc route ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saifan Pilot 103 Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 Ram have a glare mount: https://www.rammount.com/part/RAM-B-177U Although I've successfully mounted a RAM mount on glare shield using their Claw, which is more reliable in my opinion: https://www.rammount.com/part/RAP-B-400U I do however much prefer MyGoFliht products, more expensive but a much more solid solution: https://mgfproducts.com/collections/panel-mounts/products/sport-mount-flex-glare-shield?variant=17459838156915 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
highbladedown 11 Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 How does the air operators procedures for the use of PEDs onboard aircraft meet the Commercial Air Service Standards (CASS) and are they specified in the air operator’s company operations manual? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fan 22 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 They are not specified in the ops manual. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
highbladedown 11 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Fan, there has to be some documented control especially if they ipads are supplied by the organization. Just went through all this with TC...but stove bolts screwing them to a glare shield and referencing AC 43.13 is ur style...go for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Freewheel 341 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 14 hours ago, highbladedown said: Fan, there has to be some documented control especially if they ipads are supplied by the organization. Just went through all this with TC...but stove bolts screwing them to a glare shield and referencing AC 43.13 is ur style...go for it. I suspect this is one of those issues where the approach from TC is far from standardized. Depending on what exactly you want to use the IPad for, how you mount it and most importantly, which inspector you ask, the expectation likely varies from “nothing required in the COM” to a very complex system (documented and approved in the COM). if you just went through all of this with TC, care to share your inspectors expectation? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fan 22 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 iPad would be simply used for navigation aids like any GPS ....like almost all operators use them . GPS where never included in the COM....it would be great for you to share your input about the TC expectations as im simply trying to not be the stove bolts screwing them to a glare shield type of guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
highbladedown 11 Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 Fan; Lets talk GPS's - you know the ones that were velcro'd and stuck to glare shields using velco, PK screws and other unapproved means of attachment - been there, I recall a GPS mounted on the top of a glareshield in a 206 with velro that fell between the pilots feet during final, fabulous! Lets make this very clear, if one is utilizing and iPad as EFB the operational philosophy for using the iPad is that it effectively replaces paper charts, maps and manuals using a small, easy-to-use device capable of storing huge amounts of data and data is viewable in all phases of flight and in all lighting conditions - am I at least correct in assuming that much? The Various company documents or manuals may be contained on the iPad such as: • Various Flight Manuals • SOP Manual • Minimum Equipment List • Company Operations Manual • SMS Manual • Aeronautical Information Manual • Electronic Approach Charts (panning, zooming, scrolling and rotation) • Low Altitude Charts (panning, zooming, scrolling and rotation) • Canada Flight Supplement So are you saying there that procedures to ensure control of the aforementioned documents are not required if one is utilizing an iPAD as an EFB? What about any other iPad company documents? iPad security? Procedures that flight crews must remain vigilant and shall not allow distractions from PED’s especially during sterile cockpit phases of flight. Procedures for Power management, Ipad updating to ensure that when charts and other documents are expired and other iPad library documents have expired. Individuals authorized to install software updates. Procedures that are followed during iPAD abnormal operations such as, Unable to start up normally or unit frozen with no response, unable to access required information, unable to update critical documents. What about iPad Operations procedures during Flight, Pre Flight, Departure, Cruise, Arrival, Post Flight, Abnormal and Emergency, Using the iPad for Electronic Checklists, Reporting EFB Malfunctions etc. Or not... Infinity Blade II or Pac-Mac 256 are a little less complicated... Have a nice day - been a slice! HBD 47, 204, 205, 206, 212, 412, MD500, SA341 Gazelle and Boeing 757... Aviation Quality Inspector - Lead Auditor ISO 9001, AS9100, AS9110, OH&S 18001:2007, IATA Auditor, IATA Lead & IATA QMS/SMS AME M1/M2/FAA A&P/Component Overhaul and Structures Endorsed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
simpleton 107 Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 Just mount a bloody RAM ball and be done with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saifan Pilot 103 Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 4 hours ago, simpleton said: Just mount a bloody RAM ball and be done with it. Agreed. As the saying goes: "Better to ask forgiveness than permission". Although I'd definitely go with MyGoFlight mounts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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