Pilots leaving the industry

[just looking]

EXP88 i never said they feel they are hot shot at 500 hours. What i said as i have seen guys with 5000 that could not longline and guys with 500 hours that could.

 

Twin Helix i think EXP88 answered your question. He poaches from other companies. He doesn't look at anyone with less then 2,000 hours. Let someone bare the risk and cost of training low timers. This is becoming a typical attitude in this industry Then he can blame on customer requirements.  

[ramen rider]

If I had 2000 hours I'd probably jump ship for the airlines, given the way I've been treated so far on this side.

[shakey]

4 minutes ago, ramen rider said:

If I had 2000 hours I'd probably jump ship for the airlines, given the way I've been treated so far on this side.

Spoken like a true Helicopter pilot. There is no honor among us thieves!

[EXP88]

40 minutes ago, just looking said:

EXP88 i never said they feel they are hot shot at 500 hours. What i said as i have seen guys with 5000 that could not longline and guys with 500 hours that could.

 

Twin Helix i think EXP88 answered your question. He poaches from other companies. He doesn't look at anyone with less then 2,000 hours. Let someone bare the risk and cost of training low timers. This is becoming a typical attitude in this industry Then he can blame on customer requirements.  

Some companies scope of work and aircraft do not allow them to hire and train new pilots, mountain flying and utility work with intermediates & mediums is not entry level flying.

Customers set the minimum pilot requirements, why is this so difficult for you to understand?  It's the way it has always been and you will see the minimums increasing for specialty work as OSH standards are constantly evolving.

I have never posted a job ad, like I said, provide a good schedule and decent wage and you attract and retain the talent within our industry.

[Darksidelogger]

If no one's training low timers where do 2000 hour pilots come from?

[ray]

From kiwiland

[Harmonic_Vibe]

On 3/28/2018 at 5:04 PM, sirlandsalot said:

However, all those numbers and algorithms aside,  I dont think LOWBALLING, for example, a 212HP at $1850 an hour for fire, or a 407 for $1200 an hour to do utility work,  is doing anybody in this industry any good except for the couple crews that have the work.

Sir Lands, please do not feel I'm picking on you, just using your post, which I think is fairly stated and to the point, as a good example. 

Do we work in private enterprise or are we State Owned? If an operator does most of their work in the winter and is able to allocate no fixed costs to their aircraft in the summer, the opposite of most, are we able to make a reasoned argument of unfairness, or are we just bee-atching (notice my clever workaround for these filters on this site that disable words like #### for no reason) because we don't benefit? As an Operator and in Management, I can't tell you how trump-in-moscow-prostitutes-peeing-on-bed (trying to avoid saying pissed off so I'm not filtered) I am that we are competing with such bids. But they're fair!!!! If rumours are true and biker gangs and mafia are laundering money in our industry then that is TRUMP-SPEAKING (sorry, I said bullshit and it translated itself)... This is capitalism and the way to succeed is to have the best pilots and engineers with the best business model.. it isn't to point fingers and ask for regulations or unions you'll regret later... My opinion of course... As Sean Hannity would say!

HV

[Harmonic_Vibe]

1 minute ago, Harmonic_Vibe said:

Sir Lands, please do not feel I'm picking on you, just using your post, which I think is fairly stated and to the point, as a good example. 

Do we work in private enterprise or are we State Owned? If an operator does most of their work in the winter and is able to allocate no fixed costs to their aircraft in the summer, the opposite of most, are we able to make a reasoned argument of unfairness, or are we just bee-atching (notice my clever workaround for these filters on this site that disable words like #### for no reason) because we don't benefit? As an Operator and in Management, I can't tell you how trump-in-moscow-prostitutes-peeing-on-bed (trying to avoid saying pissed off so I'm not filtered) I am that we are competing with such bids. But they're fair!!!! If rumours are true and biker gangs and mafia are laundering money in our industry then that is TRUMP-SPEAKING (sorry, I said bullshit and it translated itself)... This is capitalism and the way to succeed is to have the best pilots and engineers with the best business model.. it isn't to point fingers and ask for regulations or unions you'll regret later... My opinion of course... As Sean Hannity would say!

HV

Oops... I literally thought almost everything I wrote would be censored... but since it's not, I hope the point still come across. It's not as funny as I planned with the actual words on display! But I stand behind every one.

HV

[dbw]

I left rotary wing flying in the mid 1990s. As much as I enjoyed the hands and feet I didn't enjoy chasing the odd paycheck, less than good maintenance at times, having the aircraft capabilities oversold to the customer, effects on the home life of extended absences... That said some assignments were incredibly satisfying.

For me it was time for a change. Went full time fixed wing..604, 704 & 705 ops. Never filed  again for EI, was home a lot more and had a life. Wasn't all peaches and cream but the pluses were ahead of the minuses. Only mild excitement was two in-flight shutdowns in 20+ years. Really enjoyed the IFR. No complaints.

[Hazy]

On 4/26/2018 at 3:36 AM, Harmonic_Vibe said:

Oops... I literally thought almost everything I wrote would be censored... but since it's not, I hope the point still come across. It's not as funny as I planned with the actual words on display! But I stand behind every one.

HV

You are right, it's not funny.  You just sound like a butt-hurt Hillary supporter.  LOL