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Why?  What does a Red Seal give you that an AME license doesn't?  I have an American A&P from my AME license.  Could that happen with a Red Seal?  The answer is no.

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Fair pay 212 wrench. And non of this averaging BS. If you don’t want to pay then don’t crew the aircraft. Look around, the only thing that hasn’t increased in cost considerably is helicopter tariffs and crew wages. 

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9 hours ago, 212wrench said:

Why?  What does a Red Seal give you that an AME license doesn't?  I have an American A&P from my AME license.  Could that happen with a Red Seal?  The answer is no.

Huge training incentives for red seal programs, at least there was when I went to school 

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There are training incentives for AME's as well. Red Seal is provincial, no federal recognized certification.  So it doesn't fit in with an AME license, in fact it would have no ICAO relevance.  Also, Red Seal is driven totally by industry.  Find it ironic that HAC is slammed for being an owners club, yet Red Seal would be a benefit?  Red Seal has no wage scale.  You get paid what industry will pay you.  Aviation folks take the pay because we don't refuse it.  There is a massive shortage of licensed, endorsed, experienced AME's.

"It’s sad to see the commercial helicopter industry hasn’t changed much and won’t change, until we as professionals refuse to work under these same conditions that have been around since the 80’s. Companies continue to under bid each other and try to make it throughout the year, partially on the backs of its professional pilots and engineers."

That pretty much nails it and being a Red Seal ain't gonna change it.

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On 4/11/2019 at 10:49 AM, 212wrench said:

There are training incentives for AME's as well. Red Seal is provincial, no federal recognized certification.  So it doesn't fit in with an AME license, in fact it would have no ICAO relevance.  Also, Red Seal is driven totally by industry.  Find it ironic that HAC is slammed for being an owners club, yet Red Seal would be a benefit?  Red Seal has no wage scale.  You get paid what industry will pay you.  Aviation folks take the pay because we don't refuse it.  There is a massive shortage of licensed, endorsed, experienced AME's.

"It’s sad to see the commercial helicopter industry hasn’t changed much and won’t change, until we as professionals refuse to work under these same conditions that have been around since the 80’s. Companies continue to under bid each other and try to make it throughout the year, partially on the backs of its professional pilots and engineers."

That pretty much nails it and being a Red Seal ain't gonna change it.

Agreed 100%; The reason the wages are not where they should be has nothing to do with Red Seal Certification. The market is saturated with operators, and as a result customers for the most part are in the driving seat, and therefore margins are low. We should be focused on maintaining our designation as it is.

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I’m really interested to see what happens  when the operators have a difficult time finding the pilots that undervalue themselves. I’m done letting the company decide what they think I’m worth unless they start paying my mortgage and groceries. They say their margins are tighter but don’t really care that ours are more so. One operator had the balls to tell me my wife should work more! 

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No shortage of undervalued drivers in 2019. I lasted 3 days at a large operator that elects not to pay for training in Ontario. 

55 hours of online training and a week in the classroom in our industry is expected for free.

The previous 30+  pilots didn't seem too concerned about it.... i guess we'll have to wait for the vietnam vets to retire.

 

Better conditions at Tim Hortons.....

"Time spent by an employee in training that is required by the employer or by law is counted as work time. For example, where the training is required because the employee is a new employee or where it is required as a condition of continued employment in a position, the training time is considered to be work time."

https://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/tools/hours/what_counts.php

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I'm almost certain some companies hire Human Resource personnel for the sole purpose of the companies benefit with labour laws. Not for the benefit of the employee.

They know the law, and know the cost risks of a labour dispute claim, and usually know they will lose the fight,  but will drag it on as long as possible in the hopes you drown in debt before they do and give up.

There is very little repercussions for them when caught breaking the rules. 

 

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Well it’s getting near to the busy season why don’t we all just say no when the phone rings and maybe owners will finally realize they aren’t in charge and it’s hard to take jobs with no pilots and engineers.  But I’m sure there’s always gonna be that clown that’s a yes man and ruin it for us all. This industry isn’t gonna change unless we all get together and stand beside one another rather than trying to be better than the guy/gal beside you. 

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On 4/17/2019 at 6:07 PM, R0T0R said:

I’m really interested to see what happens  when the operators have a difficult time finding the pilots that undervalue themselves. I’m done letting the company decide what they think I’m worth unless they start paying my mortgage and groceries. They say their margins are tighter but don’t really care that ours are more so. One operator had the balls to tell me my wife should work more! 

I had the balls after a night of drinking to tell my wife that. They are now firmly secure in her purse. All jokes aside fellas I'm not missing it one bit. Gonna be a good summer.

 

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