Freewheel Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 On 10/30/2020 at 11:31 PM, hybrid said: Flying over glassy water with fog seldom has a positive outcome....... Bingo. And these are the type of Pilot Decision Making considerations that can prevent accidents in situations like these. More so than instrument training. I really wonder if the false sense of security provided by Instrument training, Can sometimes lead pilots to be overconfident and into these situations.. MANY of us have several of these PDM considerations listed in our COM, as PDM considerations and training are required for reduced visibility VFR operations, (not instrument training). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuban Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 56 minutes ago, Freewheel said: Bingo. And these are the type of Pilot Decision Making considerations that can prevent accidents in situations like these. More so than instrument training. I really wonder if the false sense of security provided by Instrument training, Can sometimes lead pilots to be overconfident and into these situations.. MANY of us have several of these PDM considerations listed in our COM, as PDM considerations and training are required for reduced visibility VFR operations, (not instrument training). If there is anything that instrument training thought me , is to avoid this #### like the plague. IFR is for controlled flight ,even in VFR conditions. Inadvertent IMC or intentional flight in IMC in a VFR aircraft or even in an IFR equipped aircraft that was VFR planned is big ,fat No No. Just to be clear, not judging the pilot by any stretch of imagination. I bet he did not plan on ending up in that position,down in the puddle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuban Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, cuban said: If there is anything that instrument training thought me , is to avoid this #### like the plague. IFR is for controlled flight ,even in VFR conditions. Inadvertent IMC or intentional flight in IMC in a VFR aircraft or even in an IFR equipped aircraft that was VFR planned is big ,fat No No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuban Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, cuban said: Not judging the pilot by any stretch of imagination. I bet his intentions that morning were to sleep in his bed with clean underwear and no PTSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0T0R Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 I think the intention of IMC training should be to scare the crap out of you and discourage flying close to it. I know when I did the Top Flight simulator in Edmonton I saw how hard it was and guess what? I started flying even more conservatively. There’s a reason autopilot is in IFR aircraft...we as humans suck at doing it for long stretches and need assistance to decrease the workload. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool pilot Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 If the reduced vis training doesn't scare the crap out of you. Remember that the insurance companies only cover you provided you operate the aircraft within the the limitations of the FLT Manual, the CARS Regulations (here in Canada) and the COM. Correct me if I am wrong but the Flt manual states that the aircraft is for VFR flight use only. Sorry you are not covered, is not something I want to hear from the insurance company should I ever damage an aircraft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinstar_ca Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 I did my minimum of IFR when I did my private fixed wing. I also had the luxury as an air cadet to do several hours in a link simulator... Taught me to stay away from that ####... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 If anyone pressure a pilot into this kind of situation, they should be asked if they know who Kobe Bryant was...that should set ‘em straight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 Nearly 20 years and I have been there many times. It’s just a good example that everyone knows about and it’s much more clear than the “well the other guy did it” argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freewheel Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 9 hours ago, Toughtimes said: Obviously you’ve been in this industry for about 7 minutes if you haven’t had a client pressure or try to pressure you into doing something that you shouldn’t, like telling you “well the other pilot got us into that spot so you should be able to” Then once you get them in. The other guy did it faster. You’re hundred dollar turns(aka recon to pilots) are Killing my budget lol On occasion, i like to spin it this way: I could likely land there 9 out of 10 times too. Did the other pilot explain what happens the other 10% of the time? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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