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On 2/24/2022 at 5:08 AM, CM119 said:

Old is definitely in the ballpark.  And it hasn’t changed much in 10 years 😑

Not even this year? There aren't that many of us to go around these days. Time we stop selling ourselves short.

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16 hours ago, cbox chip said:

Not even this year? There aren't that many of us to go around these days. Time we stop selling ourselves short.

There never was many of us lol,  the rates are controlled by the market (operators). No matter how crap rates are there will always be that one that will do it (first year license with a carrot of an endorsement that may or may not happen).  

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The rates are not just controlled by the operator, the customer are a large part of the rates.  I have been in the industry nearly 20 years and the hourly rate for helicopters has not gone up much ( if at all) in that time.  Cost of aircraft, insurance, US dollar, cost of parts ( typically increases 1-3% annually), and labour cost have all gone up in that time.  It may not be the operator doesn't want to pay more, it could be the operator can't pay more.  Canada probably has some of the lowest helicopter rates in the world.  Everyone seem to be on either long term exploration ( generally a lower rates steady flying all season), or chasing fires ( better rates, less days of flying or non with wages still to pay), or Heli skiing ( the lowest rates, highest risk generally done to keep crew busy in the winter and cash flow only).  The Canadian market has done this to ourselves, everyone tries to undercut to get the work, and the the helicopters rates don't change.  If rates don't change there is not room for employee pay to increase.

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On 3/10/2022 at 8:14 AM, Superwrench said:

The rates are not just controlled by the operator, the customer are a large part of the rates.  I have been in the industry nearly 20 years and the hourly rate for helicopters has not gone up much ( if at all) in that time.  Cost of aircraft, insurance, US dollar, cost of parts ( typically increases 1-3% annually), and labour cost have all gone up in that time.  It may not be the operator doesn't want to pay more, it could be the operator can't pay more.  Canada probably has some of the lowest helicopter rates in the world.  Everyone seem to be on either long term exploration ( generally a lower rates steady flying all season), or chasing fires ( better rates, less days of flying or non with wages still to pay), or Heli skiing ( the lowest rates, highest risk generally done to keep crew busy in the winter and cash flow only).  The Canadian market has done this to ourselves, everyone tries to undercut to get the work, and the the helicopters rates don't change.  If rates don't change there is not room for employee pay to increase.

But somehow operators can afford to pay ever increasing wages for pilots due to a labour shortage. Are there really that many more Engineers out there than pilots?

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On 3/10/2022 at 10:14 AM, Superwrench said:

The rates are not just controlled by the operator, the customer are a large part of the rates.  I have been in the industry nearly 20 years and the hourly rate for helicopters has not gone up much ( if at all) in that time.  Cost of aircraft, insurance, US dollar, cost of parts ( typically increases 1-3% annually), and labour cost have all gone up in that time.  It may not be the operator doesn't want to pay more, it could be the operator can't pay more.  Canada probably has some of the lowest helicopter rates in the world.  Everyone seem to be on either long term exploration ( generally a lower rates steady flying all season), or chasing fires ( better rates, less days of flying or non with wages still to pay), or Heli skiing ( the lowest rates, highest risk generally done to keep crew busy in the winter and cash flow only).  The Canadian market has done this to ourselves, everyone tries to undercut to get the work, and the the helicopters rates don't change.  If rates don't change there is not room for employee pay to increase.

So in fact the rates are controlled by the operator.  Got it lol

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