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On 9/21/2021 at 7:04 AM, 5Lgreenback said:

Has any of the communist vax pushers looked into why corona virus vaccines have never been approved for human use, or never made it past the animal trails for the last couple decades they've been trying?

I suggest you look into it, they were tested on 3 different types of animals.

 

Also, comparing this "vaccine" to previous vaccines that actually infer immunity, not just symptom reduction, is clearly not a valid comparison. Its just a common talking point fed to you by the TV.

References?  I love checking references.

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References re Project Veritas:

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BTW, using your crappy disinformation to support disinformation doesn’t count

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On 9/21/2021 at 6:53 AM, 5Lgreenback said:

LOL so the apparatus to look for vaccine safety signals, VAERS, is suddenly "no longer valid" (IE the numbers are terrifying so we have to discredit it). Amazing how its been considered a valid source since 1991 until the covid vaccine came out. Since 1991 they have being saying 1-10% of adverse reactions get reported, so if anything its a drastic understatement of lack of vaccine safety. There has been more than 1 whistleblower on this issue.

So where are we, and medical professionals,l supposed to be looking to for information on safety, and where are we supposed to be reporting adverse events?

There is nothing else, in other words, RED FLAG for anyone who hasn't turned their brain to mush from the MSM. If we aren't looking for vaccine safety signals, then we won't find any issues. These are experimental injections, are still in phase 3 trials, thats right, we are the experiment.

This video won't be surprising to most who have spotted the obvious lies we are being fed, but others here will just brush this off as nonsense, or a "one off" example. 

 

 

 

 

I suggest you get a Costco membership, you’ll be able to get great deals on tinfoil.

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On 9/21/2021 at 6:53 AM, 5Lgreenback said:

LOL so the apparatus to look for vaccine safety signals, VAERS, is suddenly "no longer valid" (IE the numbers are terrifying so we have to discredit it). Amazing how its been considered a valid source since 1991 until the covid vaccine came out. Since 1991 they have being saying 1-10% of adverse reactions get reported, so if anything its a drastic understatement of lack of vaccine safety. There has been more than 1 whistleblower on this issue.

So where are we, and medical professionals,l supposed to be looking to for information on safety, and where are we supposed to be reporting adverse events?

There is nothing else, in other words, RED FLAG for anyone who hasn't turned their brain to mush from the MSM. If we aren't looking for vaccine safety signals, then we won't find any issues. These are experimental injections, are still in phase 3 trials, thats right, we are the experiment.

This video won't be surprising to most who have spotted the obvious lies we are being fed, but others here will just brush this off as nonsense, or a "one off" example. 

 

 

 

 

I suggest you get a Costco membership, you’ll be able to get great deals on tinfoil.

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while reading more about some of the idiotic comments above, trying to understand what went wrong in some peoples upbringing to allow their minds to think cloudy thoughts and make poor judgements with fake information yet try and pass them off as clear and concise information to suit their cause, brought me to this statement from a website.

I cut and pasted it for added flavor to this discussion: his last paragraph is key....

 

Anti-vaxxers amplify and misrepresent side effects (probability: almost certain)

This is already happening. The real worry is how much it will affect the broad-scale vaccination effort. We need to get about 70 percent of the population vaccinated (or infected with Covid-19, which would be ethically wrong) for herd immunity to end the pandemic. That’s a high bar, and the power of social media to amplify false or misinterpreted messages and spread them far and wide is huge. I’m not worried about the “microchip tracking devices” nonsense. I’m worried about anecdotes.

I remember a story Paul Offit, a vaccine expert at the University of Pennsylvania and member of the FDA vaccine advisory committee, told me once when I was in residency. He was about to vaccinate a child with the MMR vaccine. Five minutes before he gave the vaccine, the child had the first seizure of his life. Can you imagine what would have happened if that seizure occurred five minutes after he gave the vaccine?

We’re going to vaccinate hundreds of millions of people. Someone is going to have a seizure after they get the vaccine. Someone is going to have a heart attack. Someone will get into a car accident, and someone will die by suicide. These stories will burn through social media like wildfire. And remember that anecdote and evidence are not the same thing.

Are there other things to worry about? Absolutely. The thing that derails the whole effort may be something none of us has thought of yet. It will be important to stay flexible, stay optimistic, confront the challenges as they come, and keep hope alive so we can keep each other alive.

F. Perry Wilson, MD MSCE is an associate professor of medicine at the Yale School of Medicine and director of Yale’s Clinical and Translational Research Accelerator. He writes a weekly column on Medscape.com and is the creator of the free online course “Understanding Medical Research: Your Facebook Friend Is Wrong.”

 

 
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On 9/19/2021 at 7:07 PM, Hazy said:

Have a cruise on this site and let me know if everything seems anecdotal.

https://openvaers.com/

https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality

Sadly the anti-vaxx/antimask/anti-science/PPC-er crowd has taken advantage of the honour system of VAERS. You see the same thing with the online polls they target thru their Facebook groups so they can run up the votes they prefer using supplied scripts, screenshotting it and posting it as "proof" there are more of them than the reality. 

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5 hours ago, Longline said:

"Most people who get COVID-19 experience only a mild illness"

 

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which is likely true....but do I know how I'm going to react? nope. 

who knows i may have already had it, carried it, and spread it. I may have been asymptomatic.

but at least I am not doing it willfully with neglect. I'm not being selfish. I'm taking precautions. It sure isn't affecting my life too terribly to do so. Actually it seems easy to wear a mask, wash my hands and avoid the filthy people around me. Getting vaccinated has been something I have done my whole life. I trust the scientists who make vaccines. 

Maybe I will be on a ventilator with-in days. My crystal ball wont tell me how I will fare.

My Mom is battling lung cancer.

you can bet your *** I wont be putting her at risk.

There's a high probability she wont fare well. She would likely be on a ventilator before i even get the call she's been taken to hospital.

And she isn't the only one I wish to protect.

Hows everyone else's Mom's doing? If I run into them at the grocery store, I'm happy I'm not going to willfully put them at unnecessary risk. 

What about you guys??? does it make you feel weird I care about your family members as much as I care about mine?

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1 hour ago, GrayHorizons said:

which is likely true....but do I know how I'm going to react? nope. 

who knows i may have already had it, carried it, and spread it. I may have been asymptomatic.

but at least I am not doing it willfully with neglect. I'm not being selfish. I'm taking precautions. It sure isn't affecting my life too terribly to do so. Actually it seems easy to wear a mask, wash my hands and avoid the filthy people around me. Getting vaccinated has been something I have done my whole life. I trust the scientists who make vaccines. 

Maybe I will be on a ventilator with-in days. My crystal ball wont tell me how I will fare.

My Mom is battling lung cancer.

you can bet your *** I wont be putting her at risk.

There's a high probability she wont fare well. She would likely be on a ventilator before i even get the call she's been taken to hospital.

And she isn't the only one I wish to protect.

Hows everyone else's Mom's doing? If I run into them at the grocery store, I'm happy I'm not going to willfully put them at unnecessary risk. 

What about you guys??? does it make you feel weird I care about your family members as much as I care about mine?

Hi GrayHorizons,

 

I’m sorry to hear about your mother. I hope she sees the other side of cancer as a survivor. 

I agree with everything in your post but I would add one thing. Should your mother require a hospital stay(god forbid) I would hope that everyone would do their civic duty to get vaccinated. That way, your mother, along with all the other people unfortunate enough to have to use our health case system, have a bed and staff to help her. 
 

We are a community, we should be thinking of our neighbours. This pandemic has shown me how selfish and broken we all are. It makes me sad. 
 

All the best to your mom. 
 

Rob

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