Contrail’s Authority???

[Full On]

Just wondering where Contrail got the authority to dictate a how many hours a helicopter pilot needs to have to be safe enough to fly in Canada? Also how can they dictate what is too old of an airframe to be allowed to fly? I would like to see the credentials that allow them to have this kind of power. The Canadian pilot shortage is here right now and their restrictions has been a major cause for this. Time for operators to dig in their heels and supply the industry with factual statistics to show who is safe and who is a hazard and come up with a solution to allow low time pilots to get back to doing those less demanding jobs that they used to do. 

[twinstar_ca]

good questions... 👍😎

[simpleton]

1 hour ago, Full On said:

Just wondering where Contrail got the authority to dictate a how many hours a helicopter pilot needs to have to be safe enough to fly in Canada? Also how can they dictate what is too old of an airframe to be allowed to fly? I would like to see the credentials that allow them to have this kind of power. The Canadian pilot shortage is here right now and their restrictions has been a major cause for this. Time for operators to dig in their heels and supply the industry with factual statistics to show who is safe and who is a hazard and come up with a solution to allow low time pilots to get back to doing those less demanding jobs that they used to do. 

Because Contrail's standards are not really Contrail's standards.....they're Contrail's clients standards. Contrail gets delegated and paid to conduct audits on their behalf so that they do not need to have their own dedicated aviation auditors on staff.

So, if you want to complain, call Cenovus, and CNRL, and Pembina ,and Encana, and Chevron, and CNOOC, and...........

[shakey]

Ask the owner of contrail how many hours he has in helicopters. Then ask him about the time he was a Shell pilot bending that private jet. I wish I could have come up with this scam. CON trail ..... The irony in that name.

[Full On]

13 minutes ago, simpleton said:

Because Contrail's standards are not really Contrail's standards.....they're Contrail's clients standards. Contrail gets delegated and paid to conduct audits on their behalf so that they do not need to have their own dedicated aviation auditors on staff.

So, if you want to complain, call Cenovus, and CNRL, and Pembina ,and Encana, and Chevron, and CNOOC, and...........

Hmmm not sure how accurate that is. None of these restrictions came about until Contrail got into the picture. Maybe conntrail initiated these standards. What does an oil company know about what a safe pilot is and isn’t? They are just using arbitrary numbers and figuring those number of hours constitutes a safe pilot. 
What about black balling older airframes from working in the industry. Do oil companies create those standards as well?

 

[tipspeed]

Contrail has been in the picture for a while… 

Been a problem for a while too! 

what airframes are they not ok with?

I do recall hearing it was insurance driven by the customers. The hours are just a nice number vs what you get for a pilot. 

[simpleton]

17 minutes ago, Full On said:

Hmmm not sure how accurate that is. None of these restrictions came about until Contrail got into the picture. Maybe conntrail initiated these standards. What does an oil company know about what a safe pilot is and isn’t? They are just using arbitrary numbers and figuring those number of hours constitutes a safe pilot. 
What about black balling older airframes from working in the industry. Do oil companies create those standards as well?

 

I've been in the industry for 25 years.....the standards were there 25 years ago when I started. Companies not following them, doesn't change them existing.

[Full On]

1 hour ago, simpleton said:

I've been in the industry for 25 years.....the standards were there 25 years ago when I started. Companies not following them, doesn't change them existing.

Ive got 42 years in 36 as a pilot instructor. The low timers where the ones who were the most careful back then and the 1000-1500 guys where bending equipment much more often then the low timers. Where is the data that contrail is using? The most dangerous pilots have always been 1000-1500 and then again at the 10,000 hour mark. 

[simpleton]

The standards Contrail enforces have come down considerably over the years. Where for single engine turbine, you used to need 1500tt and 1000hrs turbine, you are quite often seeing 1000tt and 250 turbine.

It's an imperfect system, but the clients makes the rules, not the provider. 

 

[Full On]

22 minutes ago, simpleton said:

The standards Contrail enforces have come down considerably over the years. Where for single engine turbine, you used to need 1500tt and 1000hrs turbine, you are quite often seeing 1000tt and 250 turbine.

It's an imperfect system, but the clients makes the rules, not the provider. 

 

It is definitely an imperfect system, which needs to be changed. The pilot shortage is going to only get worse. Especially when new duty times come into effect. Skill based restrictions are the best way to solve things. If companies where willing to put proficiency training up to a degree and amount where they can show these customers that a well trained and proficient low time pilot can do the job safely and efficiently. If it is all about these magic number of hours that a pilot needs to be safe then maybe some job specific training hours should be implemented and put into force to get low timers flying and getting more pilots into the job market. Instead of 1-3 hours of recurrent/ initial training maybe a job specific amount of 15-20 hours of training would open more doors for low timers. It’s either that or be ready to have un crewed helicopters parked and customers unable to get jobs done.