I scared the cr#p out of myself when

[Longline]

Wow, people lined up to say how stupid they were!

[carholme]

Be careful when you  call other persons bad days, stupid. If  you are a person in this industry, which I doubt and if/when your bad day comes, you may not get to look stupid, you may become one of the statistics.

I have known and worked with DGP longer than you are probably alive and I guarantee you he is not stupid. As an engineer, pilot and person, he is an all round professional, something which I doubt you will ever achieve.

 

As for the other people who have lined up to show how stupid they are, the very fact that they are willing to tell of their mistakes, puts them in a class well above fools like yourself.

 

Gerry

[Diaper_Pin]

1 minute ago, carholme said:

Be careful when you  call other persons bad days, stupid. If  you are a person in this industry, which I doubt and if/when your bad day comes, you may not get to look stupid, you may become one of the statistics.

I have known and worked with DGP longer than you are probably alive and I guarantee you he is not stupid. As an engineer, pilot and person, he is an all round professional, something which I doubt you will ever achieve.

 

As for the other people who have lined up to show how stupid they are, the very fact that they are willing to tell of their mistakes, puts them in a class well above fools like yourself.

 

Gerry

Couldn't have put it better myself. 

[412driver]

"About 30nmi out and my aux tank still read full (…so faulty aux guage), then 60nmi out vibrations got worse. I turned around and headed back. Was the worst 40mins in air. Was watching warning lights but all were fine. Landed and called the engineer. Main rotor pitch link had seized (which I didn’t pick up in preflight) and then a mag had failed in flight which made vibrations worse, I suspect at the 60 miles out point."

If you take away one thing from this, if you can learn one thing from this,  "get-home-itis" can kill you.  Never...EVER...think that you have to get back. That it will be "inconvenient" for the company to come out to you to fix things. Helicopters will tell you if things are going to $#@t and you will want to learn to listen. I have had help flown in deep in the bush and that is just the way this business goes. If you have a nice place to land in sight, preferably where an engineer can drive up to the machine? Do it. I remember once landing in a farmers field and knocking on the door to ask if I could use the phone. (Dating myself, pre cell phone era). The farmer's wife made me a hot cup of coffee and I was deep in to an awesome breakfast by the time my engineer rolled up. Stop thinking the second MAG is to get you home, it is to get you to a nice, non-panic landing area, where help can get to you. Think of it this way: You land with one mag, company is inconvenienced in having to come out to fix it. You carry on and last mag fails? Maybe you autorotate nicely into a big open flat turf lawn field... right... allow me to introduce you to Mr Murphy.... Not saying what you did was wrong. You got back. All good. The most important thing I hope: Lesson Learned!! Maybe next time we can discuss the need for a thorough preflight but I'm guessing you picked up that on your own now.😉   Fly safe and good luck in your career. Cheers! 412

[R0T0R]

The are two ways to view the above post and I hope people see it as intended. 412 is imparting knowledge, not criticizing. I totally agree with your assessment 412. I hope we can continue to have dialogue like this where, if a low tile pilot tells a story, the more experienced guys can chime in and lend a nugget of wisdom. 
 

most redundant systems are there not to get you home but to get you done safe. Yes, there are exceptions, but those mags are a good example. 
 

Anyone else have a “back up” system intended to a safe landing vs continue flight? Mine is the reduce power when you get a fuel filter light. If it goes out, land and be ready for an engine failure! I don’t buy the continue flight BS in some flight manuals…

[Pool pilot]

3 minutes ago, R0T0R said:

The are two ways to view the above post and I hope people see it as intended. 412 is imparting knowledge, not criticizing. I totally agree with your assessment 412. I hope we can continue to have dialogue like this where, if a low tile pilot tells a story, the more experienced guys can chime in and lend a nugget of wisdom. 
 

most redundant systems are there not to get you home but to get you done safe. Yes, there are exceptions, but those mags are a good example. 
 

Anyone else have a “back up” system intended to a safe landing vs continue flight? Mine is the reduce power when you get a fuel filter light. If it goes out, land and be ready for an engine failure! I don’t buy the continue flight BS in some flight manuals…

When I teach lower timers about fuel I give them the 2 factor I use.

Jetranger 20 gallons 

Longranger 200 lbs

407  200lbs

204 200lbs

205 200 lbs

And if you have to fly a astar..... 20%

Never have or will fly a Robinson.

[412driver]

5 minutes ago, R0T0R said:

The are two ways to view the above post and I hope people see it as intended. 412 is imparting knowledge, not criticizing. I

 

 

Absolutely. I am not criticizing. 30+ years and 11K+ hours...I have learned not to throw stones. I'm attaching a picture to emphasize my point. It is from last summer, my 212 on final with pilot & engineer on board to help another 212 that had a pressure gauge go to zero but everything else was fine (no temp or chip lights) Turned out to be a faulty gauge but after two non-rev flights (flew pilot out the night before) and the customer being put out....my company gave the guy a pat on the back for BEING SAFE!!! It has been said time and time again, but never gets old... "you think being safe is expensive? Try an accident" 

[R0T0R]

6 minutes ago, Pool pilot said:

When I teach lower timers about fuel I give them the 2 factor I use.

Jetranger 20 gallons 

Longranger 200 lbs

407  200lbs

204 200lbs

205 200 lbs

And if you have to fly a astar..... 20%

Never have or will fly a Robinson.

What do you mean “if you have to fly an AStar”?!?!

I didn’t think you were being critical but now…😂

[Pool pilot]

21 minutes ago, R0T0R said:

What do you mean “if you have to fly an AStar”?!?!

I didn’t think you were being critical but now…😂

Was that my outside texting?

Glad you caught that...lol

But the 2 factor concept has worked for me for over 30 years

I also start the clock with every fuel up.

[R0T0R]

22 minutes ago, Pool pilot said:

Was that my outside texting?

Glad you caught that...lol

But the 2 factor concept has worked for me for over 30 years

I also start the clock with every fuel up.

Agreed!