Skidz Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Am I missing something here ? Whether you're short or long lining, my understanding is no PAX allowed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted January 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Am I missing something here ? Whether you're short or long lining, my understanding is no PAX allowed... Yes, (the rest of the photo) the pilot isn’t slinging at the time…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainman Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I think Skidz was referring to the comment about Ontario Bucketing on the belly with a forestry dude. I thought that counted as an external load as well? So what's the deal with that anyhow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southoftheborder Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Hey T-rex, if they want short line time we'll give em short line time. Lets see how long is a bambi bucket and how much time do we have swinging one of those things around, thousands of hours ha ha. Haven't heard from Maggy for some time now. Let him know I heading down to Daytona Bike week with six other riders March 4-11. Will take my camera along for the ride. Fly safe SOB :up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helicopterjim Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Am I missing something here ? Whether you're short or long lining, my understanding is no PAX allowed... No Pax. Only crew members or persons assigned onboard duties, ie. smoke spotting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidz Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 No Pax. Only crew members or persons assigned onboard duties, ie. smoke spotting. Right. But then it wouldn't matter if you were short or long lining would it ? Essential crew is essential crew... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sharky Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I believe the TC term for firefighters aboard with external loads is 'persons other than crewmembers'. The logic being that all forest firefighters are professionally trained in helicopter operations, and well, the MNR says they want it that way. There's a spec somewhere in the 702 standards I'll try and dig up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banoy Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 CASS 722.16 gives the answer... Carriage of Persons The standards for authorization to carry persons other than flight crew members and persons essential during flight are: (a) the person is a flight crew member trainee, is a person undergoing training for essential duties during flight or is an air operator employee aircraft maintenance technician; ( the person is a fire fighter or fire control officer being carried within a forest fire area; ( c) the person is being carried to an aerial work site, performs an essential function in connection with the aerial work operation and is necessary to accomplish the aerial work operation; CASS 722 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sharky Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 beat me to it banoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banoy Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 haha Excellent timing Sharky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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