B205 Running Out Of L Pedal

[jfk]

For all you salty old 205 drivers. I am still pretty wet behind the ears in the medium and I am real suprised with with what I have been seeing. It just doesnt seem right. Any thoughts?

 

Its a 205 with a dash-17, standard t/r blades/xmsn , has a the Nasa strake kit. We are operating pretty high 7500-9500pa at temps around 15-20c. Even when I am really light it seems to run out of left pedal. For example yesterday my self, 500lbs of fuel, 6 pax, at 8400' 14c 5-7 knots of wind, in a slow controled pedal turn to the left I hit the stop. My trq values arent even close to limits, or is temp. I had the engineer check the rigging ( there is a bit of a language barrier) and he claims everything is good....

 

Or is just the slug up high with out the A++ kit?

Thanks

 

JFK

[212wrench]

check the rigging.

[MINI]

O my god :shock: The idiots put the strake on the wrong side of the tailboom. Like 212 said check and double check the rigging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Cheers and good luck.....Mini.

[cap]

You got rudder pedals out-of-rig. Want proof? Do an auto and see how far forward your right pedal is. You don't need an engineer to tell you when it's "outta whack" in that department.

[CHOPPERMIKE68]

Jfk open the rear bay door on the right side of the machine (see the tail boom bolts area) look at the tail rotor control tube down low & see if its hitting the lightning hole it goes through!

[jfk]

Thanks all,

She was way out of rig, as I thought, and you guys confirmed. In forward flight at 90-100 kts, level and in trim I had 2 inches of forward Left pedal!...

 

It took countless arguments with the engineer and a couple of phone calls. They started at ground zero pulled the rigging, re rigged, inspected and walah! I dont hit the stop in a pedal turn anymore, or on departure/approach/etc..... Language barriers dont help either

 

JFK

[cap]

jfk ----- commuication is one of the pillars of this business and when you don't have that things many can get dangerous in many areas. That out-of-rig rudder pedal could have also been the right one that was too far forward and at that point you become a "lawn dart" should you have an engine failure. It's time for a re-evaluation of your engineer's contributions in the field if the langauge issue was that much of a problem. Perhaps he needs to work in the hangar for a while under supervision and while he becomes more fluent in your language before venturing out into the field or be put with a real experienced 205 pilot.

[jfk]

Cap, I oh I agree. Unfourtantly while in forigen places language tends to be one of the biggest challenges. In this case the engineer proably should have been more experienced, but the real weak link was with the translator. He was very green and unsure of his job and the language. After talking with the owner of the company ( who agreed fully), replaced him with a different person...

[Skids Up]

What a place! :up: :up:

 

A question asked, answers given, problem fixed, no one hurt!

 

What a place! :up: :up:

 

Nice to have so much experience here to learn from... :bye:

[cap]

jfk ------not in defense of any translator, be he yours or someone else's, but just a word of caution here regarding their positions and problems also.

 

Relating during a classroom session as to how to "lite-off" a turbine engine correctly to Far East students didn't "compute" with them. In their language the translation made no sense at all and they borke-up upon hearing the phrase because to them when you "turned a light 'On', you lit up the room........and you didn't turn the light "On" by turning it "Off". To them it appeared as though you started the engine and then immediately shut it off-----or something like that A different term was conjured-up for the translator and then all was okay. Working out expressions and terms of reference with a translator beforehand is paramount in this business of "buzz-words' and technical terms and they've gotta be "cut some slack" also, otherwise you "come-off" sounding like a complete idiot sometimes after translation takes places.

 

Skids Up -----you stay well and be careful this season because "good guys" and good pilots are not that plentiful these days by the way.