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Who died and made all the resources on this planet mine or yours to exploit?

 

THE LAST GUY!!

 

Don’t you think that since the earth provides so many resources and benefits for all of us that you could at least show just a little bit of gratitude and give back a little?

 

NOPE!!

 

Its only fair isn’t it?

 

WHO SAID LIFE WAS FAIR??

 

The funny thing about your example of the "rainbow of fuel in the water" is that you are ruining it for yourself too. I am going to go way out on a limb here and make a guess that you enjoy fishing and hunting? Can't you make the connection here that you are spoiling it for yourself?

 

AH CRAP, YA GOT ME. I USE AN ELECTRIC MOTOR.

 

If you even stop for one second and think about the bigger issues at play here then none of my time has been wasted.

 

SORRY, TIME WASTED :P

Call me a Crusader or whatever you want

 

CAPTAIN CRUSADER?

 

By the way, I am not trying to offend you here

 

ME NEITHER, JUST HAVING FUN :boff:

 

 

OK, OK, I can't deny it any longer; you are a waste of time.

 

Let me know when you give up splitting atoms in your spare time and we'll engage in some meaningful dialogue. :lol:

 

gc

 

Oh, and 412 Driver,

 

"sorry, but i am not in a big rush to recycle anything especially after watching the garbage guy grab my blue recycle bag and throw it into the same pile as the rest of the trash"

 

Cop out! :down:

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sorry, but i am not in a big rush to recycle anything especially after watching the garbage guy grab my blue recycle bag and throw it into the same pile as the rest of the trash :blink:

 

You're kidding me, right? The bag was clearly intended for recycling? Maybe there are separate compartments in the truck for garbage and recycling... maybe?

Rob, I'm not doubting you, I'm doubting the driver...

 

What gets me is the guys at my work that throw their pop can in the garbage which is directly beside the recycling bin. Come on, if they make it that easy to recycle, you really have no excuse.

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OK, I'll wade in again, for whatever that's worth.

 

The multinational environmental organizations have an agenda that goes beyond their stated goals of protecting animals, forests, or whatever: they are multi-billion dollar businesses. They sell guilt relief using the same old methods as the church did with the tythe - give us 10% of your earnings and you'll be a fine upstanding citizen absolved of your sins.

 

I'm not saying that they're bad, or even that they don't do some valuable work, just that they have thier own incomes to worry about; I can respect that. I take issue, however, when their agenda encroaches on my life when they have neither science nor common sense behind their arguments.

 

Take, for example, the description of logging as deforestation. Deforestation is when the tree cover is permanenty removed: this happens when you build a new shopping center or farm field, but not when you clearcut a mountainside. Done properly, that ugly clearcut is designed to eliminate soil runoff, is replanted, and the roads deactivated, leaving a new forest growing to replace the one we harvested. Is the forest gone, or just in another stage of growth? Sure, it's not pretty, but the differing ages of forest growth promotes diversity of species in what can be an otherwise homogenous environment - and in as short a span as a human life, the forest is returned to it's former state and ready for the saws once again.

 

Futhermore, if the logging is done in a manner to replicate natural processes like fires, then how can our harvest be a detriment to the environment?

 

On the mining issue, we can design a mine to prevent watershed damage and to allow surface reclaimation after operations cease. If the mine isn't profitable with those criteria, then the mine should not be allowed to begin. Mining, when done well, may change the landscape will not leave an open scar or source of polluted runoff. We've certainly seen enough examples of bad mining to know that remediation conditions and performance bonds should be part of the permit to operate a mine.

 

And finally, to address the mistakes of recycling: first, paper is not automatically good to recycle since the energy inputs are often larger that those of producing new paper. If the fibre source of new paper is from well managed forests, the net environmental impacts are less than recycling. Still, we ditifully collect our paper and invest the energy and effort to be green, since the now conventional wisdom holds that recycling paper is a good thing.

 

Next there are metals, like aluminum, that are endlessly recyclable and energy-efficient to do so. No argument there, recycle your metals as appropriate and save energy as well as reducing human impacts through mining.

 

In between are things like plastics or glass that may be suitable for re-use but, unlike metals, are changed in the process into an inferior raw material from which to make another original product. As well, re-use of these materials requires net energy inputs greater than creation of new materials. The common argument for recycling of these materials is that you can prevent their eventual end in a landfill; since there is no shortage of landfill space (no matter what the environmentalists might say about that) the only real argument for glass/plastic recycling is that there are some interesting new technologies emerging that can use those wastes as raw materials: most are alternatives to traditional building supplies or such, but they suffer a price disadvantage versus traditional materials. The biggest hurdle facing these innovative products is competition for raw materials: many producers of heritage products, like glass and plastic bottles, are compelled by marketing or legislation to incorporate recycled materials in their products. This creates an inflated value as well as requiring higher energy inputs to recycle versus the new uses for the raw materials.

 

You might have guessed that I'm for good stewardship of our resources as well as for the enforcement of best practices being used in mining or logging.

 

I am, however, against the ignorant knee-jerk tripe that passes for informed debate over issues like resource extraction, recycling, and energy use. If all the unthinking greenies want is religion then they should go to church and learn to help their neighbours, and not impose their faith in the prophets of envirobusiness on the rest of us.

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You're kidding me, right? The bag was clearly intended for recycling? Maybe there are separate compartments in the truck for garbage and recycling... maybe?

Rob, I'm not doubting you, I'm doubting the driver...

 

What gets me is the guys at my work that throw their pop can in the garbage which is directly beside the recycling bin. Come on, if they make it that easy to recycle, you really have no excuse.

 

 

no joke dude <_<

 

yes, i DO use the blue bags ect

 

i seriously think everyone that is pushing all these "enviromental" issues needs to see the rest of the world. i'm not saying it's wrong, but it will make you understand why some of us are a little jaded.............. :unsure:

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personally i am a hippy at heart and grew up on an organic farm... I have refused a pesticide application job... i have also been involved in some logging operations, i dont feel too bad about it because it is a fully sustainable resource... burning the fuel to do the job is the only personal guilt i have... what upsets me more than anything is the redneck attitude out there with the guys doing the job... i walk around the cutblock when i land to take a whizz or catch some fresh air and there is garbage and empty spray cans all over the place, i just dont understand how u can throw garbage on the ground in the middle of a beautiful bc wilderness and walk away from it without looking back... it blows me away... also the blocks are often cut right up to creeks or rivers... no 10m distance given... and the only excuse ive heard is... "its easy to be a critic now, but when the jobs getting done its hard to fall within parameters" and i do realise that there are other parts of the world where the beach's are lined with garbage and the earth is scabbed to death... but by no means that justify not taking the extra time and care to not pollute our own well preserved province or contribute to the already harsh climate change happening, all within reason of course, its never going to be perfect... if we all had the same opinion and refused to work for companies that didnt have protocols in place which make the least environmental impact to get the job done and we refused to fly unless they made a change on a job they would have to follow suit... we can all i just say "well, im just the pilot" but without us they couldnt do the job.. we have the power, remember what PIC means... easier said than done also, but we have to start somewhere.. know where to draw your line, if u see something u dont like, raise a stink about it! i know they have people in place doing quality assurance... but in my opinion from what i have seen they arnt doing a good enough job... it wouldnt take much more from what they are already doing to make a big difference

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