2007 19 Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Actually, the EC120 will not outlift a 206L. In a crosswind, it does hover with more control than a 206B. Customer support from ECL has been fantastic. If you order one today, you will have to wait until almost 2011 to get it. (ECL is only allocated 4 per year!) If I wanted to buy a 206B today, and offer my customers 40 year old technology, it would cost about $400K and there are a lot available. - A new 120 is running about 1.5 million. 2007 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3BX2 17 Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 I'd buy 4 Jetrangers and make 5X the money that you would on your 1.5M investment ! Simple business :punk: Of course, I can't even afford a double-double at Timmies, so no chance of putting my master plan into action :shock: Interesting what you say about the 4 deliveries/year. That's a bit of a limitation to the EC canada sales team??. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cole 0 Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 I did mention I didn't want to fuel the fire haha but I guess it was going in that direction anyway. Thanks for the replies guys! Cole Quote Link to post Share on other sites
helidude 52 Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 I'd buy 4 Jetrangers and make 5X the money that you would on your 1.5M investment ! Simple business Of course, I can't even afford a double-double at Timmies, so no chance of putting my master plan into action That's not necessarlily true. Our EC120's fly twice what our Jetrangers were flying when we replaced them. You can buy two clapped out Jetrangers for the price of one new EC120 but if they fly half what your 120 would, your revenue is the same but your expenses are twice as much. Simple business! Go ahead and buy your 4 jetrangers. Once you show your customers that the 120 can do 25% more work, faster, safer and for the same operating cost as a Jetranger, it's an easy sell and ensures you have an edge over your Jetranger competition. The lack of power issues are only felt at altitude or in very hot weather. Of course the 120 is not the answer for all markets and all customers but neither is the Jetranger. There will always be close minded operators that can't see beyond the initial purchase price barrier and customers that can't see the benefit of joining the 21st century. This will assure the longevity of the veteran and well respected Bell Jetranger. Lucky for us, some of those operators are in our own back yard, ensuring we don't have to worry about other EC120's competing with us for a while. If you don't like the 120, please don't buy it, and let those of us who think outside the box successfully operate and enjoy them. By the way, Bell's support is no better than Eurocopter's these days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dewey 2 Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 helidude, "By the way, Bell's support is no better than Eurocopter's these days." Great news. Design and manufacture a top notch product, then throw in some excellent aftermarket support and you've achieved the pinnacle of success. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwistedSpar 0 Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Actually, the EC120 will not outlift a 206L. In a crosswind, it does hover with more control than a 206B. Customer support from ECL has been fantastic. If you order one today, you will have to wait until almost 2011 to get it. (ECL is only allocated 4 per year!) If I wanted to buy a 206B today, and offer my customers 40 year old technology, it would cost about $400K and there are a lot available. - A new 120 is running about 1.5 million. 2007 the allocation of 4 per year you are eluding to is a little off base. check the delivery numbers and you'll immediately see. the problem lies is supply, so many are being sold worldwide that current production is at a maximum. everyone is ramping up to meet that demand. But then the raw materials crunch comes into play and you're screwed again....everyone feels the pinch as far as raw materials goes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
freakadapter 7 Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 What's on the next show?, a new AS350B3 vs a S-55T ? That old Garrett will blow the Battle-Star out of the SKY ! :punk: No, they'er gonna compare a '77 Ford F-150 to '07 Toyota Tundra. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elvis 212 Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 The oldest a/c that I personally flew with OKie, many years later, was CF-OKN and I believe her s/n was 65. and she had an E/W at that time of around 1,525lbs. Good questions guys and made me test the 'memory cells'. ** Just an add-on that might interest some that don't date back that far............the 206 M/R blades back then, only had the outer trim tabs on the blades and the inner trim jabs didn't exist. OKN March 1977 New Quebec Territories Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Screwdriver 0 Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 OKN March 1977 New Quebec Territories Heh, I showed this picture as well as the one of MQN on the Old Medium thread to my father. He flew both of them when he worked for Okanagan. It brought back some old memories! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mustache Gear 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 2007, I have personally out lifted a long ranger in a 120. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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