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[Skidz]

Sad news this morning...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/04/...rash/index.html

[twinstar_ca]

condolences to all involved.. that's not where phil was driving, is it?? :shock:

[Phil Croucher]

Hi twin - it was, and two finer guys you couldn't hope to meet. Both very careful and safe, and the machine involved was a good one, so who knows what happened?

 

Phil

[twinstar_ca]

Hi twin - it was, and two finer guys you couldn't hope to meet. Both very careful and safe, and the machine involved was a good one, so who knows what happened?

 

Phil

 

my thoughts are with you on the loss of your friends, phil... :(

[BOOMER]

Thoughts and condolences to all those involved. In particular, I wish the families and friends of the victims my sincerest commiseration.

[Phil Croucher]

Thanks, Boomer - I've mentioned peoples' thoughts on this forum to Aerogulf (plus all the PMs that I've received) and they are very grateful for your thoughts, particularly the guy who had to tell the wives that their husbands would not be coming home again.

 

It was their first accident in over 30 years of operation, so there is particular gloom in the office.

 

Phil

[412driver]

Deepest condolences to the family and friends.......

[transquebecniece]

Very sorry to read of the loss of your associates, Phil. Hugs to you and all at Aerogulf, with sincere condolences, as well. Be safe, all!

[splitpin]

sweet love taboo

 

　It’s not easy to have a great relationship with your boy/girlfriend, partner, or spouse. But it’s not impossible, either — it takes some work, of course, but it’s work, work that’s a joy when everything comes together.

 

　　A lot of times, though, the work isn’t enough. We get in our own way with ideas and attitudes about relationships that are not only wrong, but often work to undermine our relationships no matter how hard we work at it.

 

　　I’ve watched a lot of breakups (some of them my own). I’ve seen dramatic flare-ups and drawn-out slow fades, and I’ve tried to pay attention to what seems to be going on. Here are a few of the things I’ve seen that cause people to destroy their own relationships.

 

　　1. You’re playing to win

 

　　One of the deadliest killers of relationships is the competitive urge. I don’t mean competition in the sense that you can’t stand to lose at tennis, I mean the attitude that the relationship itself is a kind of game that you’re tying to win. People in competitive relationships are always looking for an advantage, the upper hand, some edge they can hold over their partner’s head. If you feel that there are things you can’t tell your partner because she or he will use it against you, you’re in a competitive relationship — but not for long.wow gold,

 

　　2. You don’t trust

 

　　There are two aspects of trust that are important in relationships. One is trusting your partner enough to know that s/he won’t cheat on you or otherwise hurt you — and to know that he or she trusts you that way, too. The other is trusting them enough to know they won’t leave you or stop loving you no matter what you do or say. The second that level of trust is gone, whether because one of you takes advantage of that trust and does something horrible or because one of you thinks the other has, the relationship is over — even if it takes 10 more years for you to break up.

 

　　3. You don’t talk

 

　　Too many people hold their tongues about things that bother or upset them in their relationship, either because they don’t want to hurt their partner, or because they’re trying to win. (See #1 above; example: “If you don’t know why I’m mad, I’m certainly not going to tell you!”) While this might make things easier in the short term, in the long run it gradually erodes the foundation of the relationship away. Little issues grow into bigger and bigger problems — problems that don’t get fixed because your partner is blissfully unaware, or worse, is totally aware of them but thinks they don’t really bother you. Ultimately, keeping quiet reflects a lack of trust — and, as I said that’s the death of a relationship.

 

　　4. You don’t listen

 

　　Listening — really listening — is hard. It’s normal to want to defend ourselves when we hear something that seems like criticism, so instead of really hearing someone out, we interrupt to explain or excuse ourselves, or we turn inward to prepare our defense. But your partner deserves your active listening. S/he even deserves you to hear the between-the-lines content of daily chit-chat, to suss out his/her dreams and desires when even s/he doesn’t even know exactly what they are. If you can’t listen that way, at least to the person you love, there’s a problem.

 

　　5. You spend like a single person

 

　　This was a hard lesson for me to learn — until it broke up a 7-year relationship. When you’re single, you can buy whatever you want, whenever you want, with little regard for the future. It’s not necessarily wise, but you’re the only one who has to pay the consequences. When you are with someone in a long-term relationship, that is no longer a possibility. Your partner — and your children, if there are or will be any — will have to bear the brunt of your spending, so you’d better get in the habit of taking care of household necessities first and then, if there’s anything left over, of discussing with your partner the best way to use it.

 

　　This is an increasing problem these days, because more and more people are opting to keep their finances separate, even when they’re married. There’s nothing wrong with that kind of arrangement in and of itself, but it demands more communication and involvement between the partners, not less. If you’re spending money as if it was your money and nobody else has a right to tell you what to do with it, your relationship is doomed.wow gold,

 

　　6. You’re afraid of breaking up

 

　　Nobody in a truly happy partnership is afraid of breaking up. If you are, that’s a big warning sign that something’s wrong. But often, what’s wrong is the fear itself. Not only does it betray a lack of trust, but it shows a lack of self-confidence and self-esteem — you’re afraid that there’s no good reason for someone to want to be with you, and that sooner or later your partner will “wise up” and take off. So you pour more energy into keeping up the appearance of a happy relationships than you do into building yourself up as a person. Quite frankly, this isn’t going to be very satisfying for you, and it also isn’t going to be very satisfying for your partner.

 

 

And what exactly would all this have to do with the present thread?? :down: :down: