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Its really simple,, as Pilots we need to get our heads out of been paid by the flight hour,,,you are away from home for extended periods of time and suppose to be in a "profession" . Your duty day is

Averaged mins aren't the problem. It's flight pay in general, everything about it is garbage.

Godam*^ed f*5ed sh*%Tstorm so* of B* ^&   sitting here watching all my hard work getting averaged out AGAIN because the client is unorganized!   *$S HF^(SDNS!!!   Thanks for listening e

Welcome to the new world order, the days of getting paid for doing sfa are coming to an end. Remember, your company is still in business and you have a job that pays well enough.

 

With all do respect.....I am not here to do SFA, I am here to work. It sure is **** is not my problem there is no flight plan for me today, Why should I loose my hard earned hours because their equipment is broke. . I hate doing SFA, that is what days off with my family are for.

 

Remember when 4 hour mins was standard? now it is 3 sometimes 2, and on top of that they are averaged.....seems to me we are going backwards.......that is unless your management or an owner.

 

Luckily, I work for a generally good company. And yes they are working....sort of, however there is lot's of work, and there has been lots. Not at one point have I been in a situation where I need to look for work. I have politely turned 2 jobs down from headhunters in the last 6 months, because having 4 companies on my resume is enough for now

 

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With all do respect.....I am not here to do SFA, I am here to work. It sure is **** is not my problem there is no flight plan for me today, Why should I loose my hard earned hours because their equipment is broke. . I hate doing SFA, that is what days off with my family are for.

 

Remember when 4 hour mins was standard? now it is 3 sometimes 2, and on top of that they are averaged.....seems to me we are going backwards.......that is unless your management or an owner.

 

Luckily, I work for a generally good company. And yes they are working....sort of, however there is lot's of work, and there has been lots. Not at one point have I been in a situation where I need to look for work. I have politely turned 2 jobs down from headhunters in the last 6 months, because having 4 companies on my resume is enough for now

 

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Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but isn't that what Day Rates / Away from Base Pay is for? Or do you not receive that?

 

I'm all for getting paid as much as possible, but I can kind of see both sides of the argument here...

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Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but isn't that what Day Rates / Away from Base Pay is for? Or do you not receive that?

 

I'm all for getting paid as much as possible, but I can kind of see both sides of the argument here...

Day rate, salary....what ever you call it, yes. I am a pool pilot therefore I don't receive away from base, fare enough. but that is besides the point. I am talking about minimums.

 

If we fly 6 hours per day in the next 3 days (18hrs), and then sit for 3 more days, we get payed 18 hours,equal to 3 hour mins for 6 days.

 

IF we fly 6 hours a day, we SHOULD be payed for 6 hours that day, as-well payed 3 hours a day when we don't fly.(mins)

 

This is exactly what the operators all got pissed about when Forestry started doing it to them, so in turn, the operators are doing it to us, the crews.

 

No point in asking for this as I already know the answer. The last guy that asked got nothing, and left to another company.

This is becoming standard practice throughout the industry, unless you are on of the few lucky ones like hillerwhat.

 

Flight pay is actually silly all together, I agree. One offer I had over a year ago was for straight up 120 a year. no flight pay. could mean you fly 200 or 900 a year, it all depends. I imagine for that kind of coin, it would have to be around the higher of the two....fair enough. There is no reason why a good ol competent astar bush pilot with proficient long line skills should make less than 100 grand a year for working in the curve.

 

in my opinion. therefore, sucks to see our industry pay move backwards with that thing called inflation out there.

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Economically it doesn't make sense to have daily mins on a big contract, the customer buys a block of time over a certain period. There still should be daily mins on the small ones but when you are working on seasonal or longer terms you have to be competitive and I can assure you that there are some struggling companies out there who would offer no mins just for the privilege.

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Your living in a dream world. The company is paying you the hours they get payed for. Weather you fly them or not. you fly 6 hours a day for 3 days 24 hours. They have 3 hour mins. The customer sits for 3 days, the total hours the company gets paid is still 24 hours & you want to be paid for 33 hours. Our hourly pay is the hours the machine gets paid for. If you over fly during your tour you get payed for the extra, if your short you get the daily mins times your days away.

 

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Your living in a dream world. The company is paying you the hours they get payed for. Weather you fly them or not. you fly 6 hours a day for 3 days 24 hours. They have 3 hour mins. The customer sits for 3 days, the total hours the company gets paid is still 24 hours & you want to be paid for 33 hours. Our hourly pay is the hours the machine gets paid for. If you over fly during your tour you get payed for the extra, if your short you get the daily mins times your days away.

 

Dream world or not...... at one time it was common and even now there are companies that still do it. Why even bother paying the mins if they are going to be averaged out. 90% of the time I fly my mins anyways. As far as big contracts ie siesmic, all season drill..... no need to charge mins to the client for the AC, the machine way overflies mins anyways, But the client has to understand that THE CREWS need mins, therefore that should be in the contract, unless you are a cheap two bit company lowballing your shite....which is another topic!. It is not my problem or busniess what the company works out for mins for the AC with the client

 

Correct your math for you.....3 days at 6 is 18hrs, not 24hrs. So the pilot should get payed those 18 hours plus the mins for the 3 days of sitting ( 9 hrs) all at 3 hours mins

 

this means being payed 27 hours total for 6 days/18 hours for the first 3 days and 3 hr mins for each say sitting.

 

 

You sound like management!

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