Crusty Posted May 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Blackmac said: Heroes are people that go to war and get killed and or injured, a nurse or doctor risking their lives during pandemics, fire fighter going into a blazing inferno to rescue people, not people that risk (Pax) or other crew members that rely on the safety of flight to show off what great pilots they are. How many G;s were they putting on the a/c when they pulled up. Who ever on board the ship requested that maneuver needs there head read. THE REAL HEROES IN THIS WHOLE INCIDENT ARE THE FAMILIES THAT HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS. WHAT TO DO NOW MAY PEACE BE WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY Don McDougall Wow...unbelievable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliian Posted May 13, 2020 Report Share Posted May 13, 2020 It's very disheartening to hear about the attempted "high speed, low level" pass that caused this. I would have thought that most professionals would be beyond the whole "hold my beer and watch this" attitude. At this point it sounds like the whole incident sequence was being witnessed by several people and no doubt several photos/video recordings would have been taken. If you look at pretty much any helicopters flight manual HV curve, you'll notice that the high speed/low level combination is not approved as any slight mistake or technical problem will be unrecoverable without sufficient altitude. The aerodynamics of the accident helicopter are no different than any other helicopter but since it's a "military" helicopter they may have just removed the whole HV page from the manual. I agree with above, who thought that this would be a good idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGP Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 9:11 AM, Heliian said: It's very disheartening to hear about the attempted "high speed, low level" pass that caused this. I would have thought that most professionals would be beyond the whole "hold my beer and watch this" attitude. At this point it sounds like the whole incident sequence was being witnessed by several people and no doubt several photos/video recordings would have been taken. If you look at pretty much any helicopters flight manual HV curve, you'll notice that the high speed/low level combination is not approved as any slight mistake or technical problem will be unrecoverable without sufficient altitude. The aerodynamics of the accident helicopter are no different than any other helicopter but since it's a "military" helicopter they may have just removed the whole HV page from the manual. I agree with above, who thought that this would be a good idea? You have a couple of kids driving a $30 million dollar rocket and someone asks them if they could buzz the boat...what do you expect...would love to hear the cockpit voice recordings....probably was very short...OH SH$T! or the other one ..F$$K!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
212wrench Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 I wonder if any high time civilian pilots have lost the aircraft? Kobe. or this one. https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAB0703.pdf Show boating kills. RIP condolences to all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freewheel Posted May 21, 2020 Report Share Posted May 21, 2020 There are numerous cases of civilian pilots who have lost control of their aircraft, directly related to a “high speed low level pass”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliian Posted May 21, 2020 Report Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 12:59 PM, 212wrench said: I wonder if any high time civilian pilots have lost the aircraft? Kobe. or this one. https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAB0703.pdf Show boating kills. RIP condolences to all. Kobe didn't have an experienced pilot unfortunately. The pilot in your attached accident report was a ticking time bomb, 5 people paid with their lives. The job is to make it home safe everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGP Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 The latest that I have read said that the helicopter was hovering next to the boat before it crashed...ok...first thing the military said was the helicopter went missing somewhere within 2 miles of the ship...then it was ...oh it was doing a flyby to take photo ops...then it was ...oh it was hovering close by the boat to take photos...lets get it straight ... bullshit from the beginning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Heliian Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 latest update: http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/flight-safety/article-template-flight-safety.page?doc=ch148822-cyclone-from-the-investigator/kae63jt8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmac Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 I would like to see or hear from a test pilot doing the same maneuver with an added couple thousand feet and find out that they went into blade stall and the computer did not have enough time to recover from that altitude, remember left pedal and cyclic turns in a tight environment create power loss in both the Tail Rotor and Main Rotor as the crew found out sitting on the clouds found out watching me type this. RIP DON, and you thought helicopters never stalled. 3 hours ago, Heliian said: latest update: http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/flight-safety/article-template-flight-safety.page?doc=ch148822-cyclone-from-the-investigator/kae63jt8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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